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    I disagree. That table stuff (besides it recently coming to my attention that it was SUPER dangerous) didnt fit into the story of the match. I much would have preferred one of the AJ/Club heat spots or even one of the old school Okada and Omega standing toe to toe in the middle of the ring just trading shots. I thought the stuff outside the ring had little to connect to the actual story. If you were going to tell the story of Omega earning his spot in the ring then do it in the middle of the ring. If you are going to do some stuff outside the ring then use The Bucks to get Omega some heat. Omega was getting a bit a face pop in the middle there (TURN OKADA) If they had used some of the old Club tricks to make the crowd think they were going to screw Okada at the Dome then he would have got serious heat. I understand why they chose not to do it but that doesnt change the fact that table stuff didnt serve the story of the match.
    ...WHAT?!

    Unless I'm mistaken the table was introduced into the match because Omega had put Okada through one with the One Winged Angel on one of the final shows leading up to the show. It was a callback to that spot with Omega arrogantly trying to put Okada through it several times to seal the deal, failing, Okada try to return the favor, failing and finally Okada putting Omega through it on that awesome spot that nearly killed Kenny. How does that not work great within the confines of both the match and the story going in? Omega tried to bite off more than he could chew going for the table spot again, Okada got his revenge on him and the spot was awesome (and so was Omega's double stomp onto Okada while the table was on top of him). I don't see how a tired trope of Bullet Club interference or a strike exchange would've been significantly better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cult Icon View Post
    ...WHAT?!

    Unless I'm mistaken the table was introduced into the match because Omega had put Okada through one with the One Winged Angel on one of the final shows leading up to the show. It was a callback to that spot with Omega arrogantly trying to put Okada through it several times to seal the deal, failing, Okada try to return the favor, failing and finally Okada putting Omega through it on that awesome spot that nearly killed Kenny. How does that not work great within the confines of both the match and the story going in? Omega tried to bite off more than he could chew going for the table spot again, Okada got his revenge on him and the spot was awesome (and so was Omega's double stomp onto Okada while the table was on top of him). I don't see how a tired trope of Bullet Club interference or a strike exchange would've been significantly better.
    I watched both matches. I felt it wasnt a strong enough call back which worked in the STORY of both matches. I dont think Omega biting off more than he can chew is the story of the match. Was it? Did I miss something. I thought the spot was to show Omega was an equal of Okada. If it was to show Omega's arrogance, then it didnt do so. They tried to show Omega as disrespectful. They tried to show him as a serious contender. These spots, these stories, didnt add to the story they were trying to tell within the match.

    And YES, I would want the BC heat spot to have Okada fight off the Bucks outside the ring and have Okada survive, Red Shoes ban everyone from Ringside, then have Omega hit some of the amazing shit, show he doesnt need em, give both guys a rub heading into that go home stuff. I think that is better than some early 90s table spots. It felt out of joint (especially after that previous stuff). And not like a strike exchange but more like Okada's Rev Pro match with Aries where it instantly make both guys look evenly matched where they are trading stuff.

    Mind you, now it is clear that Omega isnt in the Main Event going forward. I think it is madness if Omega doesnt get another shot at Dominion to prepare for the US tour. Omega is going to be hurt by Suzuki-gun. Maybe this leads to a faction war with Bullet Club (or Los Ingobernables de Japon) killing Suzuki-gun. But maybe not. Maybe they are planning the Goto turn.

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    Which commentary stream were you watching? The English announcers wouldn't stop pushing that Okada was looking for revenge after Omega put him through a table.

    I liked the spot. It was earned in the match. They pulled it out, set it up (didn't use it right away), teased it, used it on the double stomp, teased it some more and it finally paid off. I liked it because of what it meant coming off Omega putting Okada through one, and the fact that they earned the actual table spot throughout the match.

    I like that the Bucks were just there at ringside. This was 100%, man-on-man, Okada vs Omega. It could have gone either way, and it didn't go Omega's way. I almost feel like Bullet Club interference would have cheapened the match, and the arrogant Omega would have walked into the Dome feeling like it was his night and he wanted no interference so that there were no question as to who was the better man.

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    Its not a bad match. 4.75ish if I was going to Star it. I loved the match. I thought it was great and easily close to some of the best stuff ive ever seen in the Dome (which is really hard to do because the crowd is so far away and the match ALWAYS feels weird because of how they shoot it) but the fact is that the part of the story was not given over to telling the overall story of the match. It was an unnecessary subplot. When you hold that match up against what Okada and Naomichi Marufuji did at Kokugikan Hall were everything was done to tell the story climaxing at the finish, i find Omega and Okada wanting.

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    I like that the Bucks were just there at ringside. This was 100%, man-on-man, Okada vs Omega. It could have gone either way, and it didn't go Omega's way. I almost feel like Bullet Club interference would have cheapened the match, and the arrogant Omega would have walked into the Dome feeling like it was his night and he wanted no interference so that there were no question as to who was the better man.
    Then they could have told that story in the leadup to the Dome. I would have loved some vinettes where Omega is telling the Bucks he has to do it on his own and it is about his honor (because, later, it makes the Bullet Club screwing Okada hit harder and Omega get more heat) then they can tell that story but that story was nowhere in the build to the match. This is my problem with it. Doing that didnt fit into the context of Bullet Club matches or even Omega matches. They should have given a reason for it. These are the weaknesses in the match. I am not saying it isnt a good match. it was a great match, but everyone needs to calm down.

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    If the Young Bucks had gotten involved, and Okada still won, then that would've been awful. As it stands, Omega came out of it looking like Okada's near-equal, he just wasn't able to get off the One-Winged Angel. If Omega couldn't beat Okada with Young Bucks interference, then we're talking about him very differently right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAman View Post
    If the Young Bucks had gotten involved, and Okada still won, then that would've been awful. As it stands, Omega came out of it looking like Okada's near-equal, he just wasn't able to get off the One-Winged Angel. If Omega couldn't beat Okada with Young Bucks interference, then we're talking about him very differently right now.
    See, maybe. I think Omega is going to win the IWGP Championship this year (either right before Long Beach or in long Beach) So, I think when Omega beats Okada, he should do it clean. It makes it bigger if, when he loses, he does with the Club, but when he wins, he does it without them. I think NJPW and Gedo made a mistake by giving Omega's interference free match as a loss. I am looking not just at the match but at the future story they are trying to tell. One of the best things about NJPW is that each match is a chapter not a book.

    Look at Tanahashi vs Naito at the G1 then watch their Wrestle Kingdom match and see that chapter to chapter interaction.

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    n00b question - how often are NJPW events?

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    Sara, I don't have your depth of experience with puro, but I in no way think the Tana/Okada match is on the same level. Hell, it wasn't even in the top two matches of that show. And Okada/Marifuji was good, but not great. You may be right that BC interference makes the overall story better, but this match isn't as good with it and nobody is talking about Omega the same way. I have been watching professional wrestling for nearly 30 years and as soon as that final count hit 3, I believed it was the best match I had ever seen; the same way I felt about Omega's match against Naito at G1.

    So, the guy, in my opinion, has helped to craft the greatest match of all time twice in 5 months. Is that hyperbole? Maybe in your mind, but to me, it's fact, or as close as it can come with the understanding I haven't truly seen every match ever. I don't always agree with Meltzer; I'm firmly with him on this one, except I might have given it an 8.

    Oh, and nobody mentioned that Omega never hit his finisher, because it was obvious and the story of the match.

    T.O., their PPV level events are basically monthly, though sometimes more often. Like they have three New Beginnings shows between late January and mid February.
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    Follow-up: What time (Central time) are they typically on, and does NJPW World have an on-demand ability to watch if I'm asleep when it airs? Like, if it comes on at 3 AM, can I watch it at 6 PM easily?

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    They have quite a few shows this month. CMLL is coming up this week for the annual FantasticaMania tour and three of those shows will be aired starting on the 20th. Then there's the New Beginning Shows as Xan pointed out before it levels out for a bit. The shows are late but from what I hear you can watch on demand, so you'd be able to watch later if you can't watch live.


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    typically NJPW big shows start from anywhere 2am EST to 430AM est... so an hour ahead of you 1am Central to 430am Central.. and yes NJPW World has ondemand up pretty quickly (within a few hours)

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    Quote Originally Posted by XanMan View Post
    Sara, I don't have your depth of experience with puro, but I in no way think the Tana/Okada match is on the same level. Hell, it wasn't even in the top two matches of that show. And Okada/Marifuji was good, but not great. You may be right that BC interference makes the overall story better, but this match isn't as good with it and nobody is talking about Omega the same way. I have been watching professional wrestling for nearly 30 years and as soon as that final count hit 3, I believed it was the best match I had ever seen; the same way I felt about Omega's match against Naito at G1.
    No heat. but a couple of things.

    1. Tanahashi vs Okada at the Dome for WK10 was great because of the context. This was a feud which had been running since 2002. It was like Raven vs Dreamer at Wrestlepalooza 1997, It had a little of everything from the previous match (including the Rainmaker spot). It might only be epic if you had seen the previous few matches (especially the WK9 Match). It had peices of it with Okada overcoming it to take his throne. everything in that match had a purpose. There was no wasted movement, no flashy ooh ahhh spots, just real basic psycology. And when they went into a mirror of the finishing sequence i thought they were going to do it to me again (and have Okada lose and turn heel). That finishing sequence is one of the best I have ever seen. When it was over I pop'd but it wasnt until i watched 6 of the Okada/Tanashi matches in a row before the G1 this year (they were in the same block) that it really showed me how great the match was in the context of the whole. If you have access to NJPW World, Do it.

    2. Maybe I give Okada vs Marufuji a bump because it is two Aces from two different companies working eachother. Maybe it is WWF Champion vs NWA Champion (watch the matches on the Network friends) and yeah it being the Number 1 Company's Ace wrestling the Number 3/4 company's Ace and defeating him with his own finish probably causes me to pump the tires on it a little bit. Their match in the G1 was fun too but the way that Okada gave Marufuji a rub here and the ring opera aspect of it made me love it. Oh and there is this rumor with the 45 anniversary coming up, if New Japan and All Japan start running joint shows that there will be some matches. If Kento Miyahara and Okada wrestle like this, i might die. If sekimoto and Okada wrestle like this, I might also die.

    Edit: If I overrated Okada vs Marufuji then so did Tokyo Sports (who named it their Match of the Year).

    Quote Originally Posted by XanMan View Post
    So, the guy, in my opinion, has helped to craft the greatest match of all time twice in 5 months. Is that hyperbole? Maybe in your mind, but to me, it's fact, or as close as it can come with the understanding I haven't truly seen every match ever. I don't always agree with Meltzer; I'm firmly with him on this one, except I might have given it an 8.
    I think Omega did it on the big stage. Again, he had a better match against Naito and the world didnt sit up and take notice (I did though). Omega did it on the second biggest stage in Pro Wrestling and deserves the credit. Best Ever? I cant do it. Seriously, so much better matches. Match of the last 12 months I might give you. But even then, id want you to go back cold and watch Naito vs Omega.

    Also, now that they got a real story to tell, next time Omega and Okada lock up, they will be able to tell a much deeper story (and it might be able to turn Omega if they do it right).

    T.O. I almost never watch it live and I've never had a problem with New Japan World watching G1 matches in the morning with my cereal.
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    Like I said, when I watched Omega/Naito, I felt the same way I feel about this one, and hyped it as such at the time. That's why after the Okada match I said Omega has now cemented himself as the best big match wrestler in the world.

    I watched WK9 and thought you overrated that match, also. I think the best matches Tanahashi and Okada had were at WK7, Dominion of that same year, and this past G1. Those were all marvelous, but still not Omega/Okada.

    T.O., the CMLL shows aren't available to non-Japanese subscribers. It's very rare i watch a New Japan show live due to the time difference, but even at like 8 a.m. our time, they are usually available to watch. It's ready on demand very quickly. Not many of their shows have English commentary, but once you have watched a few of them, you don't even notice. I promise. Some of the shows (especially for G1) have no commentary at all and that is really fun; gives you the feeling of being at the show live.

    The only complaint I have about the service is that the search function doesn't work great. You basically have to search by the year and then sift through for what you're looking for.
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    Sara, can you provide a primer on Minoru Suzuki and a few matches of his to watch to get an idea of who he is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XanMan View Post
    Sara, can you provide a primer on Minoru Suzuki and a few matches of his to watch to get an idea of who he is?
    Ofcourse I can. I’m thinking 5-10 matches but if you want more, just ask. Mostly pulling from his current stuff but feel free to check out stuff under legend.

    Before I get started, couple of Minoru Suzuki fun facts.



    Technically, Minoru Sizuki came out of the NJPW Dojo in 1988. But the legend states that Karl Gotch and Billy Robinson had a hand in training Minoru Sizuki when he was being trained by Yoshiaki Fujiwara in the Dojo. Minoru Suzuki is one of the few wrestlers still wrestling today who can make a legit claim to being trained by Karl Gotch.

    Minoru Suzuki was one of the founders of Pancrase (one of the first Japanese MMA promotions) with the likes of Ken Shamrock. He is a legit shooter and was one of the few fighters to beat Ken Shamrock twice when Shamrock was in his prime. He is probably one of the 2 or 3 best MMA fighters who ever wrestled.

    During Minoru Suzuki’s run in AJPW, he won the Triple Crown Championship and held it in dominating fashion for nearly a year. His shoot style and legit background means that even at 48 years old, he is a legend in Japanese pro wrestling and gets respect nearly every time he laces up his boots.

    He has put on some amazing matches. Despite seemingly terrible booking, Minoru Suzuki continues to spin gold in the ring. Before Okada vs Omega gave Big Dave such a boner, the last match he called better than Steamboat and Flair was one of Suzuki’s.

    Now I’m done kissing his boots, let’s shoot. Minoru Suzuki and Jado’s terrible booking almost killed NOAH. It got so bad they almost lost everything. Suzuki-Gun had all the titles, it was worse than the NWO because they were all invaaders. Other than KES, the entire Suzuki -Gun is not good. Suzuki was the opposite of a draw and NOAH lost fans in droves.

    Honestly, I think I hate him. He is over the hill, and not in the lovable way that Tenryu was or Onita is. He really did almost kill NOAH and the entire Suzuki-Gun storyline is dogshit booking full of unwatchable dreck but just when I am getting ready to cut bait with him, he goes and wrestles Katsuhiko Nakajima to one of the best matches of Nak’s career. ( https://rutube.ru/video/d84c73741fb7...3efc3f5d0dc9a/ ) Then, after the match, I am forced to sit there for a moment and go Fuck, Suzuki is good.


    Recent stuff

    Minoru Suzuki vs Hiroshi Tanahashi at King Of Pro Wrestling 2012*
    Minoru Suzuki vs AJ Styles G1 2014*
    Minoru Suzuki vs Takashi Sugiura Great Voyage 2015* - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x38026h
    Minoru Suzuki vs Okada G1 2014
    Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Minoru Suzuki UWFi Rules Wrestle Kingdom 9

    Legend stuff

    Kenta Kobashi vs Minoru Suzuki NOAH Great Voyage 2005 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4t...h-8-1-05_sport
    Minoru Suzuki vs. Satoshi Kojima (AJPW: 2/17/2007) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2x...i-Kojima_sport
    Yuji Nagata vs. Minoru Suzuki from the first Wrestle Kingdom Show (1/4/2007).
    Minoru Suzuki vs. Toshiaki Kawada [NJPW] (8/11/2005) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ionlx

    Do you need NJPW Links? I can probably get links for everything on this list but i linked to the stuff not on NJPW World. Watch the stuff with the stars. They are not suggestions.
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    Minoru Suzuki is freaking. I loved his stuff with Marufuji in 2015, some MOTY level stuff easily.

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    Mizzie, I assume I can probably find those on Daily Motion?

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishSara
    Do you need NJPW Links? I can probably get links for everything on this list but i linked to the stuff not on NJPW World. Watch the stuff with the stars. They are not suggestions.
    Thank you, Sara. Much appreciated. I'm sure I can find the NJPW ones on NJPW World. I thought he looked old watching NYD, but I had no idea he was 48. Wow. Ric Flair territory, there. Listing an AJ Styles match and then putting a * next to it is overkill, far as I'm concerned. I'd even watch that dude wrestle The Great Khali.

    I must have seen the WK9 match you listed, but I really don't remember it. Too bad I don't have my Dish Network anymore to watch on my DVR; but that's what World is for, after all. I'll try to watch some of these today.

    BTW, anybody else find Ryusuke Taguchi as annoying as I do? He comes on my screen and I audibly say, "Ugh." and look away. I even shut off NYD last night because he was in the main event, though I will probably turn it back on today to see the champs wrestle. I'm all over SANADA.

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    Suzuki's match at WK 9 was the MMA style match if I'm not mistaken. It's been awhile since I've watched it but I thought it was one of the better matches on the card and really underrated in retrospect.


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    Minoru Suzuki just has a presence about him that says dangerous... He's really freaking good and some have consider him the best wrestler in Japan. He may be 48 but with his style, he doesn't really lose a step

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    Those NEVER tag straps just need to go away.

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    They won't because per New Japan Tradition, they must have every wrestler on every show on the tour thus all the six man tags = trios tag titles...So unless New Japan changes how they do business, i don't see the titles going away.

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    That's an excellent point. If they have to exist, though, Gedo needs to book them better. They have not meant anything yet. I would have thought LIJ holding them would change that, but they held them barely 24 hours.

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    Gedo's focus is on the main titles. In theory, having one faction control all the titles is a nice idea but i think the Trios titles is just an added incentive to house shows.

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    Taguchi is hit or miss for me. Sometimes I think he's really underrated, sometimes I think he's bringing others down. Depends on the day and the opponent, maybe?



    This is my favorite Suzuki/Marufuji match from 2015, but they had several good ones. Yes, most are on youtube or dailymotion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XanMan View Post
    Those NEVER tag straps just need to go away.
    Ok so here is my problem with NEVER titles in general. What is NEVER? It wouldnt bother me if, for example, The NEVER straps were like the X-Division where "weight limits didnt matter' and then the idea of Openweight titles means something. You could get exciting matchups without the traditional constraints of Japanese weightclasses. The trios would work the same way. It makes sense for NJPW to have a six man title because they do so many six-man matches BUT the problem is, they have 2 sets of tag titles already.

    Ideally, Gedo should book New Japan like this

    IWGP Heavyweight Champion - Your top heavyweight feud

    IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Champion - Your top Jr. Feud

    NEVER Openweight Singles Championship - Your workrate title. Guys, regardless of size who put on crazy fucking matches. It would act sort of as a bridge title between the two divisions and allow for interesting matchups rarely seen in Japanese wrestling.

    IWGP Intercontinental Championship - Your strong Style championship. So for the past year the NEVER title has sort of been your Strong Style title (as held by Katsuyori Shibata). Well if we change the NEVER title to sort of be the bridge title between the Jrs and the Heavyweights then we need a title for the fighters. This title should be the warrior's title, that title for the fans of those matches that look like fights.

    This way, each belt has a purpose and it's own distinct feel (without overbooking or stupid rules). This way the prop itself becomes more effective because it isnt the same or interchangeable.

    The tag belts sort of would have the same effect. I wish the World Tag belts got more pub on cards. I would love to see more tag wrestling on New Japan cards but New Japan has always been a singles title company (sort of like the WWE)

    What could be cool would be for the NEVER Six mans to serve as a real bridge title. You could pair a heavyweight with Jr tag champs or a Tag Team could like adopt a Jr.

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    Suzuki is so good. Here's a couple of my favourites with him (I don't think these have been mentioned)

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xks...-07-2005_sport - Marufuji and Suzuki vs Hashi and Akiyama
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13...ito-njpw_sport - Suzuki vs Naito

    Frustratingly, I can't find one of my very favourites of his (and possibly favourite tags of all time) - Suzuki and Sasaki vs Tanahashi and Nakamura. This was from, I think, the tail end of 2004 and is superb. Nak and Tana spend about 30 minutes of the match getting the hell beaten out of them by the two vets, but the place comes unglued for the last five as the youngster finally get into the match. It's really, really good. I know I've seen a video of it somewhere but for some reason can't source it now. It's an NJPW match, so I'm sure it's on NJPW World if anywhere.

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    Thanks Ollie, Mizzie.

    Sara, I like your ideas, I just think they would take time to implement. The NEVER Title as a true Openweight worker's title is a great idea, but it has been the Fighter's Title for longer than you suggest. Makabe and Ishii had a war for the title at Wrestle Kingdom 9 and continued through most of 2015, so it wasn't Shibata's reign that cemented it as such, he just has become synonymous with the title because it fits him so well. He also was the only one I have seen who had true "openweight title" matches when he defended on different shows against Bobby Fish and Kyle O'Reilly. Still, I think if he were to win the Intercontinental Title towards the latter half of the year, he definitely could make strides in making that the Fighter's Title. Goto can have a great match against anyone from any class, so he may be perfectly positioned to change the NEVER style. I could see Tana doing that, as well, as another step on his way down the card until it is eventually transitioned to younger guys. Along the Openweight lines, I think it would also be a great idea to combine the Heavyweight and Jr Heavyweight Tag Titles. You could still have everybody on the cards; they could just be fighting in matches to determine rankings and this would also allow for more dynamic tag team title matches. You could still have two heavyweight teams against each other or two Jr Heavy teams against each other, but you could also mix and match and have something like the Bucks vs The Briscoes from last year's October card--can't think of the name right now.

    Has anyone seen the New Beginning cards? Carrying on from New Year's Dash, Suzuki Gun is getting shots at the Jr Tag Titles, Heavyweight Tag Titles (in three way dances on both shows,) and the Heavyweight Title (Suzuki vs Okada, of course.) LIJ is getting a rematch for the 6-man titles, Dragon Lee is challenging Himoru Takahashi for the Jr Heavy Title, Shibata and O'Spreay are facing off--possibly for the Rev Pro Title, Juice is getting a NEVER Title shot after pinning Goto, and Naito is closing out the February 11th show with an I-C defense against former champ, "Unbreakable" Michael Elgin. On that second card, there is also what should be a fun 6-man match, with Okada and Roppongi Vice taking on Suzuki, Taichi, and Michinoku. The title matches break down like this:

    February 5:

    Roppongi Vice vs. Taichi and Taka
    Goto vs Juice
    Ishii and Yano vs GBH vs KES
    Okada vs. Suzuki

    February 11:

    6-man title rematch
    Shibata vs. O'Spreay
    Ishii and Yano vs GBH vs KES Pt 2
    Takahashi vs. Lee
    Naito vs. Elgin

    For those on Omega watch, he is not on any of the New Beginning cards and there are conflicting reports on whether his contract expires 1/31/2017 or 1/31/2018, but either way, he will not be at the Royal Rumble, which is on 1/29.

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    I assume they're playing a long game with Omega in NJPW - they've left his story with Okada to come back quite easily with a claim to a rematch, despite his loss. Trouble is, when do they pull the trigger on that? After the first match, I feel like a rematch on a big show is due, so that leaves you with one of the more major events. I don't think Omega wants to go to WWE, based on his comments recently (unless he's really working the fans in his interviews).

    Really like the idea of Naito vs Elgin. Mostly because I want to see what crazy reversal into a Destino Naito will do this time - he's countered a spinning powerbomb and a suplex into one in two of their matches.

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    Big Mike is somebody I was super impressed with throughout last year. Omega winning the New Japan Cup and challenging at KOPW or challenging at Dominion would make the most sense. Him being champ when they roll into California would be perfect.

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    I could see an Omega/Okada rematch happening at the big April card.. You don't have many matches for Okada as champ and if Omega is getting a run, i'd like them to give him as many challengers as possible.. (maybe even Ibushi)

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    Archer and Smith are a great tag team and I hope they win the IWGP Heavyweight CHampions. I am a fan of the Killer Elite Squad.

    Taichi and Taka Michinoku suck and i hope the Bucks or RPG Vice keeps the Jr tags.

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    I agree about KES, really like the little I've seen from them. Have no clue about the other two, other than Taka's WWF run, which was ugh.

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    I echo the same sentiments about KES. They worked singles matches at the NOAH show I went to a few months back but they both looked vastly improved from their U.S. television days. From what I hear they make a solid team. I can't echo the same about Taka, though, just because I mark out for him. I enjoyed his WWF work a lot and wished I could have seen more of him in Japan besides his limited role now.

    I'm going to the February 11th show in Osaka. Really looking forward to those championship matches, especially the Junior and Intercontinental championship matches.

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    And I'm still jealous. I'm going to find a way to pull a Freaky Friday with you one of these shows.

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    Just watched the Kobashi/Suzuki match. Man, what an arrogant, elusive, sneaky pest that Suzuki is! Loved the spot where he appears near death and the ref tries to pull Kobashi off, only to get shoved aside. It's like Kenta is saying, "He's not fooling me again, I'm making sure he's done this time." Really strong match and it never sucks to watch Kobashi.

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    Ever seen Kobashi/Sasaki? Well worth your time.


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    Good lookin' out.

    So at first I was thinking Omega/Okada made a lot of sense for Dominion. Then I listened to the Purocast and now I'm thinking that not only should the rematch not be until Wrestle Kingdom 12, but that Omega should fail again both to hit OWA and defeat Okada; that they should take a year off and then finally, with roles reversed, Omega finally beats The Rainmaker at 14 in their third match against each other. Anybody with me on this?

    Fwiw, that doesn't mean Omega doesn't get the belt this year; just that Okada is his Moby for a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XanMan View Post
    Good lookin' out.

    So at first I was thinking Omega/Okada made a lot of sense for Dominion. Then I listened to the Purocast and now I'm thinking that not only should the rematch not be until Wrestle Kingdom 12, but that Omega should fail again both to hit OWA and defeat Okada; that they should take a year off and then finally, with roles reversed, Omega finally beats The Rainmaker at 14 in their third match against each other. Anybody with me on this?

    Fwiw, that doesn't mean Omega doesn't get the belt this year; just that Okada is his Moby for a few years.
    I disagree. They stalled Fergal Devitt vs Okada a year and it led to Finn Balor going to the WWE and we never got Jr Heavyweight Champion vs Heavyweight Champion.

    NJPW needs an english speaking draw at the top of the card for the US tour. Their previous solo foray into the US market was a failure. They need draws.

    If you are going to give Omega that title then he should beat The Man to get the best rub. If you have him beat Suzuki or Goto then you will not get the same heat or the same shine. Omega should not beat Okada clean (that is what the Bullet Club is for) that loss should be a heater for Omega and when Omega gets beat after the US tour, it shouldnt be Omega (great way to get the title on Naito).

    Now you get to Wrestle Kingdom 12, Omega should be IWGP Champion, Okada should win the G1 (beating CODY in the finals). In the Road to Wrestle Kingdom, you do Omega and the Bucks vs Okada and the IWGP heavyweight tag champions. Obviously this becomes a brawl with lots of interference which allows The Bucks to pin the heavyweights. During the WK 12 match, interference is banned and then either you have Okada go over again or Omega gets the clean win.

    Have you guys heard about the Shibata/Infidelity stuff affecting his push?
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    No, please dish. Shibata is my favorite.

    EDIT:

    I'm definitely with you on Omega rolling into WK12 with the title and dropping it to the G1 winning Okada. I don't think Kenny is lying when he says Japan is where his future is and where he wants his legacy to be established. He truly seems like he wants to be the Sting of his generation now that the E wasn't for him. All of which is a long way of saying I wouldn't change the natural booking out of fear. I'm really surprised the reverse Dreamer of it all doesn't appeal to you, of all people.
    Last edited by XanMan; 01-15-2017 at 06:54 PM.

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    In a perfect world the idea of telling a story that long is appealing, but I think I agree with Sara that it's better in this case to go forward sooner rather than later. Omega's hype is at an all time high right now. In 2 or 3 years, who knows?

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