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    I'm going to make a wild guess and say that Okada vs. Omega ends in another 30-minute draw with Omega looking like he almost got the win. My logic is that match #1 went 46 minutes and match #2 went 60 minutes, and since the time limit for the G1 matches are 30 minutes it'll make the story that these men need more time than that. If not a draw, I'm leaning towards an Omega win but probably a clean victory to set up the next chapter. Just my wild theories.

    There's a lot of potential good matchups in both blocks. In Block A, I'm curious how Ibushi and Zack Sabre Jr. will fair, and in Block B besides the obvious Okada / Omega rematch I'm looking forward to some Minoru Suzuki matchups (the rematch vs. Okada, vs. Omega, Elgin, etc.). Really looking forward to the full schedule of matches tonight to see what Osaka will be getting.

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    You're going August 6, right? Looks like it'll be a B Block show, headlined by Satoshi Kojima vs. SANADA and Kazuchika Okada vs. EVIL. Not the most exciting draw, but maybe you'll get a hidden gem on the card.

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    The hidden gem will be the two matches you just listed mizfan. Kojima is quietly still quite good, EVIL and SANADA have impressed in singles matches this year and Okada is Okada. Both those matches will rule and Degenerate is lucky as hell to get to see them!

    Now as for the whole G1, I have to believe that it's Kenny's to lose (again) and the reason he and Ibushi aren't on the same block is because they're colliding in the finals. I hear everyone saying that it's going to be or should be Naito's year (I honestly don't know who else could win this aside from him, Omega and Okada), but as good as that guy is, going with something that isn't Omega-Okada: The Final Chapter at Wrestle Kingdom just seems like a cop out. So to me it's pretty simple. Omega and Okada walk into their match on the final day of Block B tied (and they are scheduled for the final day for those interested). Omega finally gets the win but with a twist; the Bullet Club helps him win against his wishes. I don't know how many have noticed, but Omega has made it perfectly clear he wants to be the one to beat Okada cleanly for the title (which both AJ and Naito failed to do) and there have been subtle teases that the Bullet Club and Elite may have some tension between them. I say the Bullet Club helps Kenny beat Okada against his wishes, Omega then beats Ibushi in the finals and we get the set up for Omega-Okada IV, with Omega still being motivated to beat Okada cleanly and win the title. Omega can then feud with the Bullet Club in the next few months after the officially have a falling out, Okada defends against the other guys in the G1 and on the way we are to Wrestle Kingdom.


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    If you say so Cult! I've liked Okada and SANADA a lot this year, but to me Kojima and EVIL have been just ok, nothing too special. But we shall see!

    I can definitely see your G1 scenario playing out. I'm torn on whether I like the sound of it more than a Naito victory, or Omega winning clean to show that he CAN do it and create intrigue that way. They do seem to be heading for some kind of BC split, which I'm not crazy about but seems inevitable. Lots of moving pieces will make this one interesting.

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    in New Japan, Bullet club is a thing in name only really, it sells merch but they have it focused on Kenny and the bucks.. the problem i see with a potential feud is you're not going to turn the Bucks against Kenny..... because that would mean Cody would become the leader.. a leader of a group while he's not even in the G1.. I could see a split but not really feud because they simply don't have a suitable replacement imo.

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    Split could happen after G1. I assume the only reason Cody is not in is because he was about to become ROH champion and they didn't want him set in stone for so many dates. Omega and the Bucks are already every nearly a separate entity, so if they peel off and the rest of BC stays with Cody, it could be something. Not saying it will, but some signs point to the possibility, like Cody trying to quit on Omega's behalf in their second match and the Bucks stopping him.

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    If you say so Cult! I've liked Okada and SANADA a lot this year, but to me Kojima and EVIL have been just ok, nothing too special. But we shall see!
    I can get thinking Kojima's just been alright considering he's basically been working tag matches with a dude who can barely move. But how can you not be impressed with EVIL?! He's had two really good singles matches with Tanahashi already and he's generally a big part of the best match every night when LIJ takes on Taguchi Japan. I don't think he has the talent of SANADA (who I think could be a HUGE star someday), but he's very good and I think could wind up having a really good G1.

    As for the Bullet Club breakup, all you need to do is kick Kenny and the Bucks out and you're good. Yes you're taking away the three best guys in the group, but Cody is good enough that Omega will get great matches out of him (and that is the obvious singles feud), the Guerillas of Destiny are good enough to hang with the Bucks and Marty Scurll, despite being the most overrated performer not named Finn Balor alive, is someone who could also contribute heavily. Throw in a few more pieces and you've got a feud that will carry Kenny to Wrestle Kingdom where New Japan can go with Omega-Okada IV. You just need to have the right start, and the right start is the Bullet Club helping Kenny beat Okada in the G1 against his wishes. He's made it clear he wants to be the first to beat Okada clean for the title, so the Bullet Club helping him beat Okada (even in a non title match) would be something that a) protects a clean Omega win over Okada for a bigger stage and b) serves as motivation for the Elite to severe ties with their former pals. Put it all together and that's the best way to go if you're doing Omega-Okada in the dome, with Omega finally getting the win he's been after.


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    I think Okada/Omega IV wil happen in Oct/Nov and they have Naito in the background waiting for the winner.

    Naito Tanahashi IV doesn't need to happen at WK next year and if you don't do that, and don't have Naito win back the IC title, what the hell do you do with him?



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    Tanahashi isn't the long term IC champion, especially since his bicep is basically hanging on by a thread. I expect he'll drop the belt again in a couple of months, the belt eventually gets back to Naito and Naito will defend it at Wrestle Kingdom. I wouldn't be opposed to Naito getting his shot this year, but at the same token Naito is so over that it's not going to hurt him to wait another year and as of right now he may be more reliable elevating the Intercontinental Title the same way Nakamura did. Furthermore, Omega vs. Okada has become such a massive feud (whether you thought each match was six stars or not) that to end it anywhere else other than Wrestle Kingdom with Kenny finally winning the title seems like a huge missed opportunity. As such, I don't see any harm in Naito getting the Intercontinental Title back, defending it against an Ibushi or Ishii, then winning the G1 next year and going to Wrestle Kingdom. His time will come; it's just not now.


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    I know I'll enjoy the Osaka event, but I'm not overly excited with those top two matches announced. I guess I was spoiled by last year's show, with a solid Tanahashi vs. Marufuji match in the main event which had to follow the 5-star Okada vs. Ishii show-stealer. I don't think anyone was expecting Okada vs. Ishii to be as amazing as it was, so I'll hold out hope for another unexpected gem this year.

    I'm still have difficulty envisioning who will win the whole thing. Okada, Omega and Naito are the only talked-about names, and each one winning will have its good and bad issues between now and January 4th. I wouldn't mind any of these three winning right now. I don't even know if there's a "dark horse" pick outside of those three.

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    if Shibata was still around i could have seen an outside chance for him,... everyone else is just too soon and that's not how NJPW books, they're not going to give SANADA the out of nowhere push.

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    Of course, the fly in the ointment is whether or not NJPW decide to pull the trigger on Cody taking the title from Okada next weekend. Whilst Omega has wanted to win over Okada clean, as Cult has said, I don't think Cody gives two hoots about that in character terms.

    That could throw this whole tournament in a very different storytelling direction, with Okada now motivated to win and earn a rematch against Cody, Omega pissed off because his stablemate got the win over Okada before he did and wanting to prove himself to really be 'The Elite'.

    I'd quite like to see both Okada and Omega go unbeaten until their match, if that was the story they wanted to tell.

    I doubt, very strongly, that NJPW is either going to put the belt on Cody or headline WK12 with Cody as champion, but if they really want to open up the US market to them it wouldn't be a completely mad move given the cache that Cody, and the Rhodes name, holds.

    Either way, you still get the same clutch of guys pushing for the win in the end, just with different motivations for two of them.

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    There's zero chance Cody wins the title.

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    I was gonna say, I'd say Toru Yano is more likely to win the belt than Cody.

    Deg!! I saw that Elgin/Suzuki is also on the Osaka card!!! There's your potential gem, that might be the most interesting match in the whole B Block to me.

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    I'm psyched about that Elgin vs. Suzuki match. I was waiting to see who Suzuki would be facing since I just dig that guy's work so much, so I'm pleased to see this. Elgin is pretty over with the Osaka crowd based on the times I've seen him there. So there's potential for some goodness there. Everything else I'm sure will be fine and I'll enjoy seeing it.

    Cody should have at least a 1% chance of winning the belt, right? Bah, who am I kidding...

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    Cody is not main eventing the tokyo dome and so he'd have to lose the title before then and that only works if you want Omega as champ who then will likely lose it to Okada at WK anyway.

    Its a small chance but like Okada hasn't broken the single reign record yet... and i also think a match with Cody won't come close to anything we've seen before... it would be such WWE booking. While Gedo and Jado like WWE, i don't see them putting the title on Cody just to shock people.

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    The fact that Cody wasn't put in the G1 tells you all you need to know about his chances against Okada. I think it'll end up being a better than expected match that may help Cody's reputation at the end of the day, but that's it. I truly think his role is going to end up being something along the lines of him screwing over Okada to help Kenny win the G1 match, Kenny reacting badly because he wanted to beat Okada cleanly, and the two of them then feuding over the G1 briefcase September through November before the Wrestle Kingdom push is set to begin.


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    SPOILERS below (highlight to see):

    Sabre Jr just beat the ace!

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    WOW, I can definitely say I was not expecting that.

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    Not that surprising to me. The G1 is where you're gonna get upsets to make math work. Plus you want to put over new talent as a threat.

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    Still, I wasn't sure how much they'd see in Sabre. I thought he'd do respectably well but that's a big star to go over. I don't think it will change the final composition but still, I was surprised. Though perhaps I'm naive to the deeper workings of G1.

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    Well, to put someone like him in the G1 at all was surprising to me so i thought they would give him a big win. I don't see him getting much more than that.

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    I thought he'd win the match; I didn't think he'd make Tanahashi tap though. I was expecting Sabre to the arm to death, almost get Tanahashi to tap and then pull it out cause Tanahashi was too hurt. Honestly this way was much better; even if Sabre doesn't win another match this is big enough that it'll hold him over for awhile. The only downside for him was that he came before that masterpiece Ibushi and Naito put together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cult Icon View Post
    I thought he'd win the match; I didn't think he'd make Tanahashi tap though. I was expecting Sabre to the arm to death, almost get Tanahashi to tap and then pull it out cause Tanahashi was too hurt. Honestly this way was much better; even if Sabre doesn't win another match this is big enough that it'll hold him over for awhile. The only downside for him was that he came before that masterpiece Ibushi and Naito put together.
    Still got Ibushi vs Naito to watch, but I have heard and seen nothing but good things about it.

    I'm really hoping this leads to a high profile IC bout for ZSJ.

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    I know the G1 is going on and all that stuff, and it's been pretty solid so far. But I'll break up talk of that to bring up that none other than Hiroshi Hase had his first match in 11 years yesterday at a show put together by Keiji Mutoh called Pro Wrestling Masters. He was part of a six-man match teaming up with fellow legends Tatsumi Fujinami and Riki Choshu, facing the team of Mutoh, The Great Kabuki and TNT - a.k.a Savio Vega (!!!).

    http://battle-news.com/?p=31684

    With all the talk of the G1 going on, I'm sure news of this show would have probably flown under the rader of most people. That must have been a nice show to go to - Tokyo always gets the fun shows.

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    That's a crazy six man tag at any time, let alone 2017. Might have to check that out!

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    I've been trying to find the match but I haven't been able to find it anywhere. The best I could find was this highlight reel, which probably covers most of the match since we are talking about a six-man tag match between a lot of people way past their prime. They all look pretty weathered - Kabuki specifically looks like he could barely do much.


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    I'm a bit wary of jinxing it but - has any wrestler ever gone through their G1 block unbeaten?

    Okada is a win against EVIL, Suzuki, and Omega away from doing it. My guess is that he beats the first two with Omega remaining unbeaten from now until their final match, leaving Kenny needing a win when the two meet in order to progress through. Wouldn't bet against that happening right now, and Omega progressing on head to head (I think that's how it works?)

    I'm behind on Block A watching by about three shows - Block B seems to have at least one bout a night so far that has made me want to prioritise watching it over Block A from the day before.

    Anything good I should definitely catch?

    Been really enjoying Juice's showing this year, by the way. Somewhat stunned to see CJ Parker doing so well.

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    I did a quick search since I was also curious, and it turns out there have been four people to go through their block without a loss, with two of them losing in the finals:

    - Riki Choshu in 1996 (won the G1)
    - Kazuyuki Fujita in 2005 (lost in the finals to Masahiro Chono)
    - Hiroyoshi Tenzan in 2006 (won the G1)
    - Shinsuke Nakamura in 2009 (lost in the finals to Togi Makabe)

    I'm not sure what you have or haven't seen, but for the last couple week or so I would say the following matches are good watching:

    - Elgin vs. Omega
    - Tanahashi vs. Goto / Ibushi
    - Okada vs. SANADA / Kojima / Juice
    - Ishii vs. Naito / Nagata

    In other news, EVIL was knocked the fuck out by one of Omega's knees last night and was rumored to be taken to a hospital afterwards but he seems to be fine. I have to wonder how roughed up everyone feels towards the end of the tournament after this tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    I'm a bit wary of jinxing it but - has any wrestler ever gone through their G1 block?
    Sorry, Kaz.

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    Now we know who to blame. Although I don't think anyone's upset. Certainly not the Osaka crowd - that was one hell of a pop that EVIL received when he nailed his finisher and got the pin.

    I guess Suzuki, Omega and Okada needed challengers for their respective championships.

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    I was fine with the upsets but that's not why they need to do it, for challengers, most regular times people just come out and challege someone.. its not very complex, Okada finishes a show and then he's attacked. that's your next match..

    Although losing to EVIL, sorta makes it obvious that Naito is winning the G1 and facing Okada at WK after Okada beats EVIL at KOPW

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    My comment was more tongue-in-cheek since I know they don't need to beat them in a non-title bout. If that were the case, Ishii would have gotten an automatic title shot after beating Okada clean at last year's G1. Well, he should get one since I'd love to see that match, but I digress. I'm just speculating that eventually Elgin, Juice and EVIL will get high-profile matches against the guys they beat. There are plenty of shows between now and Wrestle Kingdom that need to be booked, so it'll make sense to get something in there.

    I'm kind of bummed that Ibushi is officially eliminated from getting to the finals. I still hold hope that Omega vs. Ibushi will happen down the road, and soon.

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    I get it, its just you hear people say oh so and so has to lose in the G1 to setup future matches when New Japan only books like that at the G1 lol... tbh, i would have preferred Okada running the table and then have someone, anyone attack him to setup title matches.. To go this long, in this many G1 Matches undefeated would have been incredible.

    Oh and Ishii is techianlly in the same group as Okada and they don't like making friends fight for the top title.

    I wish Ishii could have a short IWGP run though. he's been one of the best over the last 2 years at least i'd say.
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    Yeah, I'm sad about Ibushi too - really thought they would have him in with a chance on the final night. As it stands, there's now only Tana vs Naito to get invested in. First time in ages I can remember a block coming down to just one match on the final night for it, unless I'm much mistaken. Always seem to find myself checking the tables after each bout on the final night, but I don't think I'll have to do that this year - unless they have Evil beat both Elgin and Kojima to keep up his interest. But either way, the winner of Okada vs Omega will progress - if Omega wins he wins a three way head to head 2-1-0, if Okada wins he out-points everyone. Unless, of course, we get some additional kinks tomorrow...

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    I predict an Omega/Naito final with Naito winning. that way you could do two title defenses for Okada before WK or hold off on the Omega one and plan to run Naito/Okada at WK where Naito wins.

    Do Omega/Ibushi at WK and if Omega resigns with New Japan, make him champ post WK

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    OK, I was not expecting an Okada/Suzuki draw. So the maths in Block B is now easy - Omega wins, he goes through. Anything else, Okada reaches the final. EVIL is out.

    Block A's just finishing up - Tana vs Naito for the final spot headlining.

    Part of me wants to see a Tana/Okada final, but really I want Naito/Omega.

    Am I right in thinking that someone (Meltzer?) previously said that there were three planned Omega/Okada matches for 2017 - meaning that we likely won't get to see them go at it again until 2018 unless they've changed their booking plans?

    Oh, and throughout this tournament I've realised how much I miss Shibata
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    Wrestling isn't the same without him, Ollie.

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    No one has commented on any non-NJPW news since this sub-forum was created, so I'm going to kick it off.

    I found out today that Big Japan Wrestling will be launching their own streaming service on November 1st over at http://bjwcore.com/. The service will be 888 Yen per month ($7.84 / 5.98 pounds / 6.64 Euros as of today). They're supposed to have five matches on the site for free as a preview but I can't seem to get them working on my laptop now so maybe they'll be available in the near future. Those will be worth watching if you've never seen any of the company's work before.

    Big Japan is better known for their deathmatches, as they can be pretty unique. I went to a BJW show last year and it was pretty fun. My particular favorite was I believe a salt, lemon and mustard deathmatch - it had the elements of these bloody matches, but with the added pain of being able to literally rub salt on the wounds of the opponents (as well as squeezing lemon juice or slathering spicy mustard, odd as it sounds). I haven't followed them since then. I'm considering getting their streaming service for a month or two to see if I can get into it.

    I can only hope that this prompts my second-favorite Japanese wrestling promotion, Dragon Gate, to follow suit with their own service very soon.

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    GOOD! I'm amazed at how many Japanese wrestling promotions are leaving money on the table by not having any kind of international access to their stuff. I'm tired up digging this stuff up on random Russian websites.

    I also find it funny that Stardom, of all promotions, has hands down the best streaming service this side of the WWE Network. Not only is it easier to navigate than New Japan World, it also features subtitles on 100% of non English promos, which is phenomenal.

    Anyway, recently watched some AJPW. Two guys stood out to me, Shuji Ishikawa and Kento Miyahara. Two awesome talents, guys to watch out for. They had a pair of matches for the Triple Crown that really did it for me, great stuff.

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