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    How Deep Is Your Love?

    Love








    What does reading that word elicit in your mind- an image, smell, taste, touch, memory? What does love mean to you, and how do you quantify it?


    Life experiences, environment, genetics all can play a role in those answers being vastly different from one person to another. Though throughout this site there are many different people from all walks of life, experiencing life on a much different scale from one person to another, there is at least one love that connects us all- Professional Wrestling.


    But even within that love there are many layers dependant on multiple factors, such as your age, gender, how long you’ve been in love, or how it’s making you feel these days. Some say there is a natural progression for not only love, but all things under the sun. A birth and death. A beginning and end. A quantifiable, scientific explanation of how it happens and why. An attempt to measure it- to explain the unexplainable- to connect it to time and reality. Though the unnatural thing love is to a human oft defies our notations of logic and reason.


    It has been scientifically proven that the human brain reacts to love in the exact same way it does to cocaine. Dopamine floods parts of our brain when we are exposed to stimuli that trigger thoughts of one we love. This same thing happens when we eat chocolate, or have sex. And though some scientists contest that this is a deeply implanted genetic tactic to mate/breed, we are all living proof that some loves go against such explanations.


    Regardless of how or why, we all have feelings of love towards professional wrestling. Some new, some old. Some weathered by time, while others a recent bud in bloom. We all have succumb to a cosmic anomaly, and this column, also followed up in a few days by a series called Layers Of Love, seek to explore that love, and the various stages/shades of it.


    One of those shades involves the moments our love is tested, and the subsequent reaction we have to those tests- how deep is your love?


    How far does your love extend for professional wrestling? When you find out Macho Man Randy Savage was a bit of a raging psychopath behind the scenes and behind the cameras with Miss Elizabeth- often being emotionally, and physically abusive, to the point where other wrestlers and even Vince himself stepped in on occasion to stop it, does it affect your love for him in the ring? When you realize he wasn’t just in character when he acted jealous and possessive of her on TV?


    How about Super Fly Jimmy Snukka? As you excitedly watched him fly through the air, or off the top of a cage or turnbuckle, is your enjoyment of those moments impacted by the fact that he murdered the woman he was cheating on his wife with, or that he had a lifelong pattern of terrifying domestic violence?


    Did you give him a hell yeah when Stone Cold Steve Austin used to beat the shit out of Deborah Marshall? How about all of the times Vince cheated on his wife with various women, or used lawyers or money to cover up any egregious wrongdoings his wrestlers committed in their off time (including Jimmy Snukka)?


    Do you throw up a too sweet when you think about the guy Scott Hall murdered by shooting in the head in an alley once? Or when you think about the rolling stone that was and still is Ric Flair, and the impact he has had on not just us, but his family and women who once loved him? Not all positive.


    How about Chris Benoit? We draw the line there, but not before those other things? All the premature deaths, rampant drug use, violence, abuse, all okay, just not Benoit. As if we can simply hush it away, or play it all off until Chris Benoit murdering his family comes to the discussion. The thing is though, wrestling led Chris down that path, and despite knowing that, we still love it.


    Chyna, Sunny, Miss Elizabeth all fell apart in front of us. We watched it happen. 2 of them died early. One seems hellbent on joining them. The underlying reasons for their demises were plot lines on shows we watched with a full heart, and once we found out they weren’t just plots in a pro wrestling storyline, we continued watching anyways. Or how about the day we found out Kanyon legitimately got the shit beat out of him on live WWE television for being gay, and yet we’re all still here.


    Love is strange. It puts blinders on us. When the human brain reacts to stimuli that reminds us of those we love, our brain areas associated with critical thinking are inhibited. When some of us watched one woman damn near beat another woman to death in a wrestling ring in Japan while the victim thought it was supposed to just be a work, and that tragedy increased fandom for the federation, we as fans aren’t thinking very critically. We must really be in love.


    Why do we love a sport that has been proven to be predetermined, and centered solely around extreme levels of violence, and why do we turn a blind eye to the things these performers do when they aren’t (and sometimes are) entertaining us? In any other medium, that kind of behavior is abhorred. Half of the movie industry just went down in flames over, in most instances, much less compared to what a lot of the performers we idolize in professional wrestling have done. I’m not downplaying what people like Kevin Spacey did, but in comparison to guys like Ric Flair, Kevin looks like a saint. And yet we love Ric. Do we still love Kevin?


    Tests come and go constantly on the landscape of love. Things that seek to find our valuation of an unquantifiable material. How much can your love withstand, where does the line draw? Eddie Guererro running his body into the ground from wrestling related drug abuse? Daniel Bryan or Shawn Michaels potentially dying if they ever get in the ring again? The CTE’s, The Von Erich tragedy, or Flying Brian Pillman? The true roots of women’s wrestling, or the true legacy of women like Fabulous Moolah? At what point in such a checkered history do we start to fall out of love, or start to question ourselves, and the things we love?





    Do we just accept that level of violence outside of wrestling, by wrestlers, because of the very nature of the art form itself- does it desensitize us? And is the industry responsible for creating so much of what happens behind the scenes?




    This is where I am at in my fandom today- torn. At an impasse, wondering where I want to go. The internet has created a window into the souls of people we only knew on a stage. It has connected us so intimately to lives, that we now know so many details, so many things about. And most of it is very, very dark. I’ve found I can’t come back from some of those things.


    And the industry is filled with those horror stories. Maybe I was already a disenchanted fan looking for a reason to not care anymore? Or maybe any fan from my era or older is doomed to go through the same process. Either way, it’s different now for me. I find myself looking for reasons to care again, to feel what I once felt. At times I see glimmers of it in various federations, or various moments, but I personally can’t shake all the things I now know, and it is affecting the present and future of my fandom.


    So here I am. Feeling like I need to dive through my fandom once more to see if I can find that spark again- which leads me to Layers Of Love. A series that will catalogue the seasons of my love for professional wrestling. And oftentimes in my life sparks are at least partially inspired by, or created through the power of music. So each day will be themed and accompanied by a song. February is supposed to be a month of love, right? At least Hallmark tells us so, so I’m just going to make it reality this time. Still though, fuck Valentine’s Day.


    No matter what season your love is in, or what questions you now have about your love after this column, maybe you need or want this journey too? If so, I encourage you to join me, and even share your own layers as we go- I’d happily welcome the discussion.


    Until then, as you sift through the thoughts from this column, and try to discern an answer to your own personal feelings towards professional wrestling, it helps to know the question first. And the question after knowing all of this is, how deep is your love?







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    Man the world of wrestling is fucked isn't it? You're really on to something here Kleck. I am anxiously awaiting your mext column. I love the music tie in too. I cant wait to see where this all goes.

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    this, my friend, if this is quality that continues on for the rest of the month you have a good shot at COTM.

    I feel a bit of shame when reading this column, but then realized that at the very least WWE today is much cleaner and more wholesome for the wrestlers than years ago.
    And Jacob wrestled with God.






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    Is it though? Adam Rose, Enzo, plus the shilling of Chyna's name now that shes dead when they wouldnt mention her at all while she was alive? Not to mention paige being more porn star than she ever was wrestler at this point. It might be more PC. But I think the devil still very much lives in WWE

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    Law- Glad to hear it man! The music selections are all over the place so far lol. I'm enjoying writing the next one. I barely scratched the surface of how much messed up stuff has happened. There have been numerous guys and girls who have used their power to sexually assault upcoming wrestlers, speculative murders, hell, New Jack legit tried to murder his opponent on 3 separate occasions. The list just goes on and on. Stuff like that is starting to haunt me more and more. The next column though will at least be light hearted!


    JW- This is a fantastic point that I will definitely be talking about later on in the series. The new era of workers have cleaned up the industry substantially, so modern stuff is a lot less tainted. Us old timers though- most of our fond memories are tied to truthfully awful people. Living with that is tough. I appreciate your positive feed man, and I hope you enjoy the rest.

    Law- There are definitely still some bad seeds in modern times, but it has cleaned up overall. I think that is mainly because wrestling is way more in the public eye than ever before. Still though if they did a witchhunt like they did in the movie industry we would lose a LOT of people most of us still think of very fondly. Unsettling thought.

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    This read so well and kind of works as a great companion piece to what Doc wrote in the csi. Different tone but similar subject matter. Looking forward to the series, this was a fantastic intro.

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    To Law's point though, we definitely cannot blame WWE for not mentioning Chyna while she was doing porn. Number 1, that would be kind of admitting with her doing porn which is such an ugly industry, and then not to mentioned they always paid for her rehabs and for all other wrestlers having tough times, and on multiple occasions WWE has gone beyond what i felt is due responsibility to check in old wrestlers, no matter how old or irrelevant, into rehab and paying the bills for that. It's hard to fault WWE on that. as for talking aobut Shyna only after she is dead, well, she's dead yo, no need to shun the dead. And i felt they did it respectfully, no thotting out a parade for her to promote any shows, it's almost like a respectful nod to one of the most famous woman wrestler ever - Steph's comments on commentary was just a nod to history. I see no sign of them selling her out now she's dead.
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    The thing with this for me is that it can be applied to pretty much any part of the entertainment industry. When you look behind the scenes, there are always horror stories. The key thing is media reaction.

    Back in the day, a bit of spouse abuse wasn't considered newsworthy. Today it is. If we were to fall out of love with any form of entertainment due to a statistically small amount of negative news, all forms of entertainment would cease to exist.

    The only difference with wrestling compared to other entertainment genres is the monopoly WWE have over the industry, meaning most of that negative press is focused on that company alone. In the movie industry, TV, music etc there is less of a monopoly so we associate these acts with the individual. This allows the overseeing company to claim ignorance when the truth could well be that the ignorance was due to actually ignoring the issue rather than not knowing about it.

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    Unfortunately, wrestling does have a dark history and tends to either attract people who have a certain darkness, or drives them to that darkness with the harsh realities of what it takes to make it in that world. But the truth is, you can find that dark underbelly of almost every industry if you look hard enough, especially if you include the past as well as the present. What helps me is to remember that even though there are bad cases, they really are the minority in the grand scheme of things. Guys like Benoit and Snuka end up being the exception, rather than the rule.

    This is a strong piece here, although I almost think it should be re-titled "how deep is you guilt?". In the modern world there is a lot of pressure to feel guilt if you even see someone who committed a crime, but I have been questioning if that's truly a healthy way to live. We are all just trying to make our way through the world, and each of us has a lot to deal with in our own lives without attempting to take on extra guilt when society dictates we should. I do sometimes find it hard to draw the line of who I'm comfortable watching and who I'm not, but at the end of the day I do think it's possible and even necessary to create some separation between what we enjoy watching from an artistic point of view and what may or may not have happened in the secret lives of the performers we see.

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    To Law's point though, we definitely cannot blame WWE for not mentioning Chyna while she was doing porn.
    This is a tough one for me, because WWE literally got her into porn, pushing her to do Playboy. The "official" explanation for shunning Chyna while she was alive is that they didn't want kids googling her and finding her porn, but now that she's passed they seem fine with mentioning her, although to my knowledge both google and porn still exist.

    I also think there's a big discussion to be had about the way people react to the porn industry in general, but that's for another time.

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    I also think there's a big discussion to be had about the way people react to the porn industry in general, but that's for another time.
    You mean comparing socks with tissues right?

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    Gives the column title yet another layer of meaning, doesn't it?

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    Kind of a blanket feed, due to Miz and Dynamite's responses being similar. There is an underbelly in all forms of entertainment, for sure, but I think pro wrestling head and shoulders takes the cake. Especially when you think of mainstream coverage- the more mainstream you are, the more eyes are watching. Those other entertainment sources had less dark corners to hide things, and yet most of pro wrestlings dark secrets surfaced, and honestly, pro wrestling has, for most of its modern life, been far less scrutinized. My point? If it was that juicy, it would have surfaced in the movie, music, television scenes. Sports ie NFL comes closest imo, but even they are dwarfed by the stuff that used to happen back in pro wrestling's heyday.

    I agree with Miz that you have to be able to separate, but it just gets harder and harder for me personally. I don't intend to shame anyone else, this series is just my journey.


    Anyways thank you all! 1st column of the series is otw. Quite a bit more light hearted than this was, minus the dick sock discussion lol.

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    Late to reading this column. Moved by it. My reflection on all the tragedies may be a little different based on age. Wrestlers, actors and politicians are all larger than life characters. Those we mingle with socially and at work are average characters. Maybe a little above us, a little below us or peers in our eyes. Do we know if their spouse is treated as Debora or Miss Elizabeth were? Do we know which one of our co-workers is a functioning alcoholic? Or just that step below having their drug addiction affect their job or family? Whether we know or not, their untimely death will not garner national headlines. Nor will they reach a forum as large as this or even one with more eyes on it.

    How do we react if we know someone with these character flaws. Do we condemn them? Do we attempt to intervene? Do we knowingly or unknowingly become an enabler? And what is the difference between those three actions? Our love of the person or even mere like of the person can lead us to do something we feel is right but is actually hurting that person. Because no matter who we are we all look at that person through the filter of our experiences and emotions.

    A great person once said "Judge not lest ye be judged" yet that same person said "No good tree bears bad fruit ..." seeming to say we can tell good from evil. Is it okay to condemn someone for their actions? "A little leaven leavens the whole loaf" seems to say we should avoid mixing in the activities. I think it is fair to look at what the person is like when no one is watching. Because that is who they really are. "All have sinned and fallen short" maybe means we should look inside as much as we look to the outside. I realize scripture is not often found on the forums but I feel it is appropriate for this subject.

    To conclude I find my starry gaze at the celebrities faded when I find their faults behind the scenes. Much like those we love and are around start to show warts as love matures and is not the fire it was when we first had that magical meeting of eyes. But true love endures those warts.

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