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    Sports Illustrated reported that Talking Smack was cancelled because Vince doesn't like the unscripted promos.

    God, can someone up there disconnect the old man's wifi? I'm not one of those people that thinks the WWE will be leaps and bounds better when HHH is in charge, but I'm not sure it would be worse if Vince was kept in the dark about any and all programming outside of RAW and SmackDown. Like, if his underlings could convince him the rest of the Network is just airing replays of Hulkamania Era PPVs and the ratings are great, maybe things like this wouldn't happen.
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    now that i've thought about it, doesn't really make alot of sense for that to be reason. Yes, Vince is out of touch but you mean to tell me he's never seen talking smack before recently? I think he's been at smackdown and i would also assume that anyone at smackdown has to run things by Vince.

    Not saying it didn't happen but it wouldn't surprise me if Triple H or Steph are throwing him under the bus.

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    I can totally see that being the reason.

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    Yea, I don't know - I guess Meltzer doesn't buy the Sports Illustrated story.

    My theory (and I have zero proof of it) is that Vince doesn't like Talking Smack because, to put it bluntly, he doesn't "get it." I think if it was RAW Talk that had become weekly (is it? I'm not sure) and had taken of and gotten some buzz, he would be all about it - but because SD has always been the "lesser show," the one that, in 2002-03 "needed Vince himself" to be good (even though all of Vince's angles were dreadful and people were tuning in for the SmackDown 6 and Lesnar) and more recently "needed Cena" (even though one could argue his impact on the TV show is somewhat negligible, while his impact on house show gates are strong), he sees anything the Blue Brand does as being, by definition, lesser. Hence, Talking Smack's ratings go down and its not 205 Live's fault, its that nobody cares and that it is expendable programming.

    Except a portion of the audience does care and, worse than that, a portion of his employees care. I doubt having Talking Smack get pushed an hour later made the wrestlers happy (especially if they have to get to the next town after a show), but the solution wasn't to cancel a program that obviously some talent really felt like was "their own" (its integral to any business that the employees feel their input is valued and that they have a "stake" in what they're doing)*, but to adjust 205 Live's taping schedule (like, say, maybe not making it "live" at all). I'd be curious to see what the numbers are comparing NXT (taped weeks in advance) viewership and 205 Live's viewership.


    * For example, I've worked fast food, I know lots of people who've worked fast food, I know fast food is all about automation and having the same meal at every Taco Bell whether you're in Buttfuck, Kansas, or Buttfuck, Maine. But talk to a minimum wage fast food worker and they'll tell you that one of the few "perks" is the ability to create your own menu item - even if the general public will never eat it, maybe you might serve it to a friend or whatever. The crazy shit we came up with at Subway could convince you that you weren't eating garbage some days.
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    WOR: Tuesday's Talking Smack episode ranked 18th most viewed of the week, moving the time slot to after 205 Live did not affect the viewership much at all, over 90% of all network viewing is VOD not live viewing
    90%? damn....I like watching things live, guess I'm in the minority.

    As much as I enjoyed the show, if TS was 18th it means it was losing to a bunch of stuff WWE already paid for....which means TS isn't worth the (little IMO) money used to make it and go live.

    SMH. Things like this make me think that smarks don't put their money where their mouths are sometimes. Like I rarely saw any distain for Talking Smack, but they were watching it either. Just like when an IWC favorite gets a push and the ratings go down...

    Hopefully the mid-card (and lower) find other means....because SDL doesn't have room for things that might work so that's gonna make it a lot harder for them.

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    i think shows the air after Raw or Smackdown probably really struggle for live views cause even Network subscribers have a limit in WWE programming.. i just watched 2 hours of Smackdown, i don't have the network on, so why should i put it on when i can catch things later?

    NXT is taped and while it airs on Wednesday, i can binge watch if i wanted.

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    SMH. Things like this make me think that smarks don't put their money where their mouths are sometimes. Like I rarely saw any distain for Talking Smack, but they were watching it either. Just like when an IWC favorite gets a push and the ratings go down...
    Blaming the fans here is missing the point. For one, the only people watching the show WERE the hardcore fans; it's pretty established (and the majority of the Network's content supports this) that the Network is a thing that's geared towards hardcores, who make up the vast majority of the subscribers. The fact that WWE isn't drawing more casual fans to the Network is a bigger problem than hardcore fans not watching. Two, and most importantly, the hardcores that weren't watching Talking Smack on the Network likely were watching it on YouTube, DailyMotion or streamables found on Reddit. WWE has several clips up from the show on their own YouTube page (with each clip having several hundred thousand views) and you can find full episodes of Talking Smack on YouTube and DailyMotion fairly easily. So to say fans weren't watching or paying attention to the show isn't exactly true; the more likely case is they were watching episodes or clips, just not on the WWE's own Network.

    Regardless of whether it was that reason or because Vince didn't like it (and like Lazyking I don't buy that; that story reeks of being leaked by a HHH crony to continue the "All Hail Haitch' narrative that guy has brilliantly worked the internet with), the move is still boneheaded. I don't care how many people are watching the show or not; the fact is that it cost next to nothing to produce that show compared to 205 Live (which is doing worse than Talking Smack AND costs way more, yet continues to live on) makes it worthwhile to continue because a) it allows the guys and girls another outlet to work on their character and get themselves over and b) maybe you get lucky one day, have a hot segment ala Bryan and Miz from last year and you suddenly have a hot show that helps your program that's cheap to produce. Unless it was legitimately drawing no interest whatsoever, it makes no sense to get rid of the thing. This is WWE being dumb through and through; not the "smarks" failing a show by not putting their money where their mouths are.


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    How would 205 be expensive? You already have the arena rented for SmackDown, the infrastructure is all set up and staff is already on hand. It's pretty much why they married the Takeover shows with PPV weekends. The taping should be basically free, or cost nominally more than the Live SmackDown taping that you're already doing anyway. I produce this type of shit, and I'm just not seeing where the expense come from. Post produced, yeah it'll start to get pricey, but as it stands I'd think that it's okay.

    I'll be honest in saying that I only watched Talking Smack rarely. I'm pretty pro killing it just simply because of the concept: it's timely (so not friendly to watch on delay unless you're going to catch it ASAP), adds an extra 30 minutes to an already long night of content for a viewer.

    I'd actually prefer a similar program produced for YouTube. Then you don't have the paywall effect (and, let's be honest, you're putting the relevant stuff on YouTube anyway) and it doesn't have to be "must-see" live content. Give talent the same platform, but not in a recap format. The recap format allowed a jumping off point, but I never liked that it was completely irrelevant to me if I hadn't seen that week's episode of SmackDown -- which isn't available to watch alongside TS on the Network.

    I'd say revive it in more of a straight-up semi-scripted interview format. Shoot it with the rest of the pre-tapes at the beginning of the night or like Graves did with the Hardys in the stands. You lose the live TV aspect, which is too bad, but it gives you the opportunity to edit things a bit if they go south.

    I'll be the first to say that the trial by fire of live Talking Smack is probably what molded Alexa Bliss into the performer that she is today, but the answer to that is to give people less scripting on television and let them sink or swim.

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