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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart_Mark View Post
    Speaking of ESB, will there be pressure on Episode 8 to deliver a pop culture defining revelation on par with Luke's daddy issues?

    Also, I have yet to see anyone else point out how it took the lions share of half a century to finally get a Star Wars movie in proper chronological order.
    Watch this movie first.

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    This was much better than I expected. Captured the spirit of the originals and reminds you nothing of the previous three.

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    I've always wondered how Star Wars keeps all it's fans. I heard this is a good movie, but really there are only 2 (I think 4) really good Star Wars movie. Not counting this one, which I'll see but haven't yet. But I thought about it, Episode 4 was really good, captured the imagination but could be better. Empire was better, and in fact almost perfect. But Return of the Jedi is hated by older fans (not I because I loved it, but I also saw it when I was 4 and loved the Ewoks), and lets not talk about the prequels. I will say I liked episode 3, I know I'm not suppose to say that, but I did. I LOVED the lightsaber battles and it really made up for the bad acting. But still, to me the franchise is amazing. But I hear other fans, and they hate the prequels, they hate Ewoks, I'm like aside from episode 4&5, what do you like? Like seriously?

    I don't know, I'm glad this movie is getting great reviews though. I was very happy to see JJ signed on to Star Wars. I just really want to see Luke come out of no where and tear it up. So many rumors and spoilers I refuse to see are going around. But to me, this movie is good if it has Luke front and center, or it leads up to Luke being front and center the next movie. Also it's weird seeing Harrison Ford promote this movie and be happy. Like dude always seemed ashamed about being in Star Wars, and always wanted to get out. So I'm glad he enjoys the final produce and really is promoting this as a good movie. I can't wait to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart_Mark View Post
    Since it's winter wouldn't it be more appropriate to cut open his stomach and use his burrowed out carcass to stay warm?
    It's actually summer, bro!

    Saw it this arvo.

    I'm going against the grain here and saying it wasn't great. It was pretty good. Not as good as the original trilogy. Nowhere near Hope and Empire.

    I really enjoyed the original cast and characters coming back. It really legitimised the movie as Star Wars for me. Harrison Ford was great. Carrie Fisher was pretty awful, lol. But glad she came back.

    Not sold on Gollum yet. But glad the One Ring is clearly back in his possession.

    Kylo Ren is interesting, but a weird issue regarding his skill for me. Adam Driver hit a winner with the way he speaks.

    Liked Finn. John Boyega was pretty good.

    Loved Rey. Daisy Ridley has a huge future.

    So how can we talk about spoilers? This is a discussion board and we're all being very restrained and it's not right. Do we have spoiler tags here?

    [spoiler]fhdsfaljhs[/spoiler]

    It's clearly not ^that if we do. I'd love to speak more about the story.

    EDIT: Fuck, somehow forgot to say how much I appreciated the amount of models and animatronics used in the movie. Now THAT is Star Wars. I still thought there was some unneccsary CGI, but Abrams deserves a lot of credit for doing so much right.
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    23 states are currently enforcing the death penalty for spoiling this movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart_Mark View Post
    23 states are currently enforcing the death penalty for spoiling this movie.

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    I have to report someone on Facebook, dude posted a spoiler in a non-spoiler thread, never wanted to reach across the keyboard and smash someone's head in more than that!!!

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    I really enjoyed the Force Awakens... It feels like it fits in as a natural sequel to the original trilogy. I loved that JJ Abrams, unlike his shitty Star Trek reboots, went for more realism with the sets and less acting in front of green screens.

    The prequels sucked because they were all about George Lucas's fascination and boner with CGI. He forgot that what sold the original trilogy was STORY and GOOD ACTING with special effects that were generated from real looking models.

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    Literally JUST got home from this movie. SO! GOOD!

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    Finally saw it, when are we safe to talk about it?

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    Same here. Had to reschedule 3 times, but I saw it this evening and I can only describe it as an experience that can never be taken away. It's a good thing these forums are text based because I am beyond speechless.

    It was a true honor to have experienced such a magical and epic piece of art.
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    This might make me sound a bit foolish or like a fanboy, but when the music hit and the crawl to start the film began a sense of great happiness and joy came over me. I never had any doubt that I would enjoy the movie. Especially after all the positive reviews that I heard from people. However it still managed to exceed my expectations. So if for some reason you haven't seen it yet you should change that as soon as possible.

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    I spent the last six months anticipating and trying to imagine the opening scroll.

    Did anyone else have the thought that this film was as funny as Lucas was hoping Phantom Menace would be?
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    I loved that they jumped right into the action, just like the start of the original trilogy.

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    We should just make a separate spoiler thread, you know. We can call it "Blade's Good Idea".

    For now, i'll leave this here...



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    Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens Spoilers, and 8 & 9 Speculation

    I just saw it. I avoided spoilers by dodging obvious ones. This is a pretty obvious one lol. It seems like a lot of people want to talk about it, as do I, so here it is...


    Awesome Imax 3D movie.

    Great movie, I'd rank it at maybe a tie with A New Hope as the 2nd best film of the franchise, behind, of course, Empire Strikes Back.

    Abrams nailed this movie. So many things done so well. (Though I contest he did Star Trek good as well)

    (Look away if you haven't seen it yet, dummy!) Only hang ups were how incredibly much they foreshadowed Hans death in the scene with Leia, and Rey being able to outright best Kylo Ren without any training.

    I am trying desperately to find out who the old man was at the beginning who had the map to Luke. His dialogue with Kylo was interesting. Plus that whole scene was awesome (stopping the laser blast and holding it suspended while interrogating the shooter).

    I rewatched the trailer with Luke narrating immediately after the movie, and there were some interesting things in the dialogue.

    Luke and or Leia have to die as well, right? If both, I'd say 1 per movie, to build up Kylo Ren while creating the drive in Rey to champion them? They make it seem obvious Luke is Rey's father, but is he?

    Will we see Yoda, Obi Wan, and or Vader in 8 via channeling the force, considering most likely Luke will be training Rey?

    What part will the excellent character Fin play going forward? Will he be responsible for killing one of the Sith to complete his turn? Or is he going down another path?

    Having now seen this, I'm curious to know what direction George Lucas intended on going down with his outline of this trilogy.

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    I don't think Rey and Finn see each other again until Ep. 9.
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    I don't think Luke or Leia will be killed. Especially Luke. I presume we'll see even less of Leia in 8 than we did in 7.

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    I highly doubt Luke or Leia are killed in either triliogy. Maybe Luke in ep. 9.

    I really enjoyed the movie. It reminded me of the OG Star Wars. That's not a bad thing. The OT had many things that made Star Wars fans mad, so the complaints to me aren't that important. I will say that I could see where fans of the Expanded Universe don't like this film, but it was made to re-introduce people to the series and move on from the prequels. It succeeded.

    Rey seems to be the important piece. Obviously they are building up to her parents linage. What might be an interesting twist is that instead of Anakin being the "Chosen One," it's revealed that Anakin was created through Darth Plagueis, therefore he's not the "Chosen One" but instead was a work of the Darkside. Instead Rey was actually born through the power of the force, and she was truly the "Chosen One" who would bring complete balance to the Force. I highly doubt Disney would do that, but I think it would be interesting.

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    I'm hoping to see it a second time sometime soon. I'd like to watch it without constantly thinking how outrageously unoriginal it is the whole way through. While it's unoriginality will remain a disappointment, i've come to terms with it and think i'll be able to enjoy the ride more now.

    But if Episode 8 involves a kid with a raw, but curiously powerful connection with the Force being trained by an old Jedi master, and somebody important being captured by the enemy, and the Empire seemingly back on top...then they should just go ahead and call it The First Order Strikes Back.

    This isn't Lucas' baby anymore, but Lucas describes Star Wars as being the story of the Skywalker family, so in that regard it would make sense that Rey is Luke's daughter (on top of other seemingly obvious reasons, like his lightsabre calling out to her). It all just seems too obvious. But in today's day of limitless social media speculation, can anything Star Wars be a genuine shock? Is it possible for Rey to end up with the Dark Side? Surely not, she's too hot, right?

    I haven't seen Return of the Jedi in years (I will be downloading the despecialised version very soon), but I do not rank this movie anywhere near A New Hope, let alone Empire. I'm hoping my second viewing brings it closer to those two.

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    Best twist ever is gonna be finding out Kylo's sole initiative was to avenge Greedo.
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    The Mos Eisley Cantina - Star Wars Discussion Thread

    There have been other threads for specific Star Wars films, but I'm anticipating this being more as a general discussion thread.

    I used to be a massive Star Wars fan, but I found that I kind of fell out of love with the franchise a bit as I got older. But every so often they drop something that makes me feel like a kid again and I just love it. I felt that way about Rogue One. I've not seen it a second time yet, but it's something I'm keen to do because I felt it was probably the first Star Wars film since Empire Strikes Back that has really challenged its status at the top of my list.

    I guess the other big thing for the franchise is the death of Carrie Fisher, and the effect that losing such a central player is going to have on the 'main list' films going forward. From what I understand the next film was pretty much in the can, but it's the one after that which has had to be massively rewritten.

    Anyway - any and all Star Wars discussion (except spoilers, as per usual) welcome in here. What's your favourite film? When did you first encounter the franchise? What are your hopes for it going forward?

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    Vader at the end of Rogue One is the greatest thing ever. No contest.

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    There's now less than six months until the release of the 8th film in the main series - The Last Jedi.

    After the successful (but for some, limited) 7th film, and then the big hit that was Rogue One, what do we think that this new film has to achieve?

    Also, what are people's thoughts on the Han Solo film slated for next year?

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    Love Star Wars! I grew up on those films, though I must admit that the criticism toward the Prequels is an ongoing source of frustration for me. They're naturally not the best made films of course, but they add a lot to the mythos and have plenty of great moments in and of themselves; they were the Wars films for my own generation, and so occupy a soft spot in my heart as I anticipate the Originals do in the hearts of older fans. I am a champion of the so-called "Flashback/Machete Order" too - though I put VII at the front; VII, IV, V, II, III, VI; I tend to watch Episode I as a stand alone when the mood takes me; I think it works best in isolation. When I watched them all in that order in one sitting last year, the effect of watching Kylo's story ahead of Anakin's - coupled with stripping out 9 year old Anakin's character - really adds a whole deal more emotional power to his journey in especially Episode III.

    Rogue One was on another level though, to all of them. I think it might just be my favourite of the entire franchise, and is most definitely the best made film of the whole lot. Seen it a good six or seven times and it's only gotten better!

    Can't say I'm massively enthused with the news of Abrams taking over from Trevorrow for Episode IX mind; or on the Solo movie either. The latter just seems like a serious nostalgia cash-in, frankly. Rogue One had an interesting, important story to tell, but why on earth do I need to see the mystery of Solo's background get spelled out on screen for a quick Disney buck?
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    If you feel that way about a Han Solo movie I can just imagine how you feel about the rumoured Boba Fett project that is supposed to come next...

    I doubt they are going this route because they seem to have kicked the expanded universe out of the canon, but there was actually a whole trilogy of Han Solo backstory in the novels which they could draw on, if they were so inclined. But since they ditched the Thrawn trilogy (the only stuff to get any real acclaim) then I can't see them worrying too much about ignoring that either.

    To be honest, I'm just a lot less interested in smugglers and bounty hunters than I am in the Rebels and Empire. I guess the film could change my mind on that, but for now it is what it is.

    Not overly convinced with the ubiquitous JJ Abrams steering the ship either. He's OK, but I'm not sure he's any better than that, and I don't really understand why he gets to run everything, seemingly.

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    I F'in love Bobba Fett. Yes, when I was a kid, I thought he kicked serious ass, and the newer star wars films just added to that (what with Jango Fett and so on).

    The thing I don't like, is that it's not even remotely the same writers anymore from what I've heard. It's been taken over just for Hollywood profit just like someone else said.

    I haven't seen the latest movies but have had them on DVD (downloaded from the internet by a friend) for ages. I think it'll break my heart to see these new films as it's just not going to be the same.

    Also, am I the only one that thinks Episode I the Phantom Menace kind of sucks? I loved episode II and III, but that film seemed entirely aimed at kids.

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    I'd take I over II personally. I think II is my least favourite of the lot.

    I have my concerns about the current direction as well. It's beginning to feel dangerously like very expensive fan fiction and not much more. The Solo film, the Fett film; it's just nostalgia. I want something new. What was great about Rogue One was that it had a compelling story of its own to tell with original, fresh characters. Hell, if that were the film released in 77, I'd expect it'd have been as big a hit as IV was, frankly.

    I want more about the period between VI and VII. There's like twenty years of story there man. Why do I need to see more of Han Solo?

    By the way Prime, they have kept elements of Thrawn. He's been a big bad in the Rebels animated show - which, incidentally, is outrageously good. The season 2 finale was as good as some of the films were, quite honestly. Haven't checked season 3 out yet though.

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    Man, Episode I is the one with the kid Anacin and Jaja binks acting like a retard right?

    How could you possibly prefer that over II or III?!?! lol, that's just my opinion dude...

    Other than that, yeah, it's just another expensive Hollywood film that will always cash out no matter what they do. Which is kind of depressing when you think about it. Hopefully they don't do what they did to Jaws, which should have stopped after the original, but, you know, like fifty million crap sequels later...

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    I can watch II, but find it hard to sit through I. You've got the Anakin issues in II, sure, but I basically fails across the board.

    But I and II are both bad movies. III is a good prequel. But the first two? Both the films they've made since the Disney acquisition have been way better. I reckon Last Jedi will still be better than those two. I'm optimistic that it'll be a little more ambitious than the first film. It needs to be really, because I don't think they'll get the grace that they did with the first one.

    Yeah, I knew that they'd kept some bits of Thrawn in there. But Thrawn was in some of the video games as well. I imagine the 'history' of that Thrawn trilogy will have been de-canonized completely and Rebels will be doing it's own thing?

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    I think that's pretty much the score with him, yeah. He's still pretty cool though.

    I think people are far too harsh on TPM. In actuality, if I had to sit and watch just one Wars in total isolation, more often than not I pick TPM because it works well as a self-contained sci-fantasy.

    I go against the grain generally on the Prequels, but especially when it comes to Anakin's characterisation. For example, the I hate sand line gets ribbed mercilessly, but it's such an insightful revelation that speaks to how horrible Anakin's youth must have been. Same with his breakdown after he slaughters the Tuskens; that still rips me apart because of how rooted it is in Anakin's childhood innocence when it comes to what Jedi should be.

    Incidentally, if anyone hasn't tried the flashback order yet, I seriously recommend it. Especially if you've ever a chance to do it in one sitting. The way it transforms Anakin's story particularly is really quite startling.

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    The Phantom Menace bored me to tears. It's not that it's so terrible, really. It's just tedious, and I found it kinda garbled. Granted I've not tried to watch it for twelve years or so, but those are my memories of it. I always found that two drives itself on so much better, but even so, I think the only reason I finished I or II is out of loyalty. If they weren't Star Wars movies I think I'd have turned them both off.

    I've not done the flashback order. I can't see that I'll ever get the chance to watch all six movies in one hit, but if I do try and watch them in close proximity I'll give it a go. In all honesty, it's as much as I can do find the time to watch Empire and Jedi back to back anymore, and that's generally what I do if I get the Star Wars itch.

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    What did everyone think of the trailer that came out today?

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    It certainly looks good enough to get you interested. No doubt I'm going to see it.

    With that said, I'm not sure the trailer suggests that they are going to branch out and do something quite different in this film. While Part VII was very polished, it was quite safe, and if Part VIII is also a very safe film with a huge number of echoes not only of the feel of the original trilogy but of its storyline, then it's going to make me much more nervous about the future of the franchise as a whole.

    That said, I'm not exactly pessimistic just yet. I'll need to see the film before I get worried. But if you want a big, bold departure and a few risks, there's not a lot of evidence of it from this trailer. What I think we are already guaranteed is some thrills and another technical achievement.

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    I like how they are exploring how The Force may not be the best thing in the world after all even for the people with the best of intentions. I also suspect Luke has become something of a coward which is an interesting development considering how brash and foolhardy he was when first introduced as a character.

    Everything about this one, from the name to the red lettering in the Star Wars banner screams THE DARK ONE OF THE TRILOGY which while being a complete rip off of the structure of the original trilogy will hopefully give them a chance to explore some interesting themes.

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    Late to the party, but thought I'd share some of my trailer thoughts!

    On the cynical side, I have a growing fear that it's going to turn out to be "Rey discovers Finn and Poe are captured by the First Order and sets out prematurely to rescue them," leading to something horrific happening to her. And after the Resistance - looking at the trailer content - gets their rear ends handed to them. In which case we better brace for another Originals re-tread. Which would be frustrating.

    On the positive side, I've been doing a little thinking on what we've seen of Luke in the two trailers together and, I have to say, if my suspicions are proven correct I love the character arc. The notion that he believes it's time for the Jedi to end; the notion that he wasn't 'afraid' when he saw Kylo's power but is when he sees Rey's - presumably he's referring to Kylo here - they both hint towards a Jedi Master who is finally accepting of the fact that the Order was arrogant in its own right; the very weakness Palpatine exploited.

    I remember reading the novelisation of Episode III some years ago. I don't know if that's considered canonical or not, but in it you get to hear Yoda's inner-monologue during his duel with Palpatine and he comes to the realisation that the Jedi have been arrogant in their resistance to change and their presumption they know best, and that's why, he believed, he was doomed to lose to Palpatine all along.

    If they're going to realise that theme with Luke - of him realising the Jedi Order's mistakes and weaknesses and finally learning from them - then it'll thematically link the Sequels to the Prequels in a similar vein how, narratively, they're already linked with the Originals. That has me excited!
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    The series could do with something to pull the three together, because while there are obviously links that you can draw at the moment I think they sort of feel a bit like three distinct trilogies (filling in for what comes, obviously). Working to bring some sort of harmony between them would be a good trick to pull off.

    I hear that the last season of Star Wars Rebels has recently come out. I don't know the show, is it aimed squarely at kids or what?

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    The trick has to be to end this ridiculous paranoia Disney seem to have towards the Prequels, that really, really, really don't deserve the stigma they have. Treating them like a diseased black horse that shouldn't be touched I think contributes a lot to what you say, Prime, about the trilogies all feeling a bit disjointed. If they use these Sequels to touch on elements of both the Originals and Prequels, they can finally create that cohesion you talk of. Positive steps have been made with the Battlefront II game happily bringing back Prequel era stuff; I just hope more follows.

    As for Rebels, I'll champion it until the cows come home! It's solidly a kids show at its core; the storytelling and themes are very simple and easy to follow and the humour is, well, largely childish. Having said that, the majority of character arcs are really great and I don't mind saying that I found (and wasn't the only one, considering some others I spoke to) the season 2 finale to be on par with some of the movies; especially at the climax of its story. I will say that knowing a little about the Clone Wars show helps. I've never watched Clone Wars myself, but know about a couple of characters from it that get re-visited in Rebels, but not knowing them might rob certain moments of their poignancy.

    Staying spoiler free, there's a really quite brilliant, poignant episode at the end of season three too.
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    I don't think the prequels should be completely written off either. I've no love for The Phantom Menace as you know but I think the second one gets more stick than is warranted and I've always been on the record as liking the third one.

    I saw The Clone Wars movie in the cinema. I don't think I knew it was going to be a kids film and I hated it, but maybe I wouldn't have if I'd been more prepared going on...


    I hadn't thought of this much before, but you're younger than me but not by much - maybe we've found the exact faultline at which we were too old and jaded to accept the phantom menace?! I had about seven years of history with the franchise by the time the movie came out, from seeing the first film and playing the game on the NES that was released in 1991 - maybe it was as much about built up expectation, even for those of us who were still in our early teens?

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    I was 11 when Phantom Menace came out and I never liked it much. Was a big fan of the originals and felt let down even as a kid.

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    I was 10 and I loved it!

    Prime, I think someone might be listening in. Only yesterday I saw news doing the rounds that JJ Abrams has declared Episode IX will bring the three trilogies together and contain references to the Prequels.
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