Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 41 to 80 of 83

Thread: The Chris Jericho Thread

  1. #41
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    1,235
    On the topic of wrestlers doing these sorts of things, the legendary Verne Gagne killed a 97 year old resident with whom he had a fight in the last few years of his life. There were no criminal charges, proceedings or anything, nothing was done to Verne. Why? It was ruled a homicide, but because Verne had severe mental degenerative diseases, it was concluded that he was not even able to grasp what was going on or what he had done, nor was there any intentionality. The authorities refused to do anything to Verne, aside from warning people to be more careful around him. That's how criminal law in the really-existing world actually works, contrary to Mikey's childish moral rants where the only categories of morality that exist are good people and exaggerated monsters.
    Last edited by Allystare; 01-05-2018 at 09:45 PM.

  2. #42
    Senior Member American Mikey P's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Posts
    454
    All I said was itís not a good look for Jericho lol... which has caused you people to cal me a piece of shit ... an asshole ... and whatever other names you have called me. I am more Calling out fans from the front page not Jericho ... and guess what there are multiple
    People in this thread that stated they agree with me 100%. Iíll be dead honest your hero is a murderer and the internet wrestling community that had eaten the likes of reigns Cena etc alive for years canít take it when The name Benoit is brought up in a negative light. Truth hurts. But I call it how I see it.

    And Steve Austin should absolutely be banned from the WWE in my opinion from an apearence stand point unfortunately he gets a pass because he did it in 2003 but guess what if that happened today heís be fired and banned . Steve Austin scum bag.

    If calling women beaters and murderers scums bags makes me a narcissist moral asshole so be it. No sweat off my back what you people think of me I still wake up and go to work the next day.

  3. #43
    Senior Member Oliver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    2,282
    I second those Austin sentiments. Guy is scum for beating his wife, and according to Debra there were historical incidents of it that we're not only barely reported but even covered up by WWE, if I recall rightly.

    Same with Benoit - he's scum for what he did to his wife and kid. Doesn't mean I can't appreciate that he was a good wrestler.

    But in both cases I'm withdrawn from the situation by not knowing the person. I can well imagine that if you knew them there's a huge shade of grey around it.

  4. #44
    Steve Austin should absolutely not be banned from appearing in WWE. What he did was absolutely disgusting and it should be included in his overall legacy the same way Hulk Hogan's fiasco should be included in his. But unless there's some info out there that we don't know about Austin did change for the better, and while he shouldn't get a standing ovation for doing the obvious right thing it should also be acknowledged that he did improve as a person and should be given a second chance. You can't have it both ways; if, for example, Mikey wants Hogan to be forgiven for his incident on the basis that he's no longer a racist, wasn't a racist or whatever it was, you can't then say that Austin doesn't deserve forgiveness when there's no evidence of a repeat offense in the years since.

    As for this Benoit/Jericho thing, I don't see the big deal. Jericho has repeatedly condemned what Benoit did over the years; all you need to do is listen to the podcasts he's done with Nancy's sister and Meltzer to hear that. That doesn't mean Jericho can just shut off all those memories he has of Benoit over the years; hell Nancy's sister can't, as I seem to recall her and Jericho laughing over several memories they had of Benoit during that same podcast. It be one thing if Jericho thought highly of what Benoit did during that final weekend, but seeing as we know that isn't the case and that this is just him paying tribute to the friend he knew and not the monster he became, I don't find any fault in what he did. So basically what everyone else has been saying.

    In other Jericho news, how about those last two shows?! Hell of a job by him in that Omega match (it may have been his best match ever imo) and now he'll have a chance to top it with the Naito match, whenever that is taking place.


  5. #45
    Senior Member American Mikey P's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Posts
    454
    When did I ever say Hulk Hogan should be forgiven? I have never said that. Do I actually think what Hogan said compared to what Austin or Benoit did is remotely the same thing....no.

    In fact I believe I am quoted somewhere maybe the forum or the comment section saying I have no issue with the WWE's stand on Hogan, I dont blame them in this climate we live in today. What I have issue is the WWE's stand on Austin and the Ultimate Warrior. Ultimate Warrior is an actual bigot, you tube him it is easy to find. And Austin not only beat the snot out of Debra he beat the snot out of his prior wife or GF I believe too. So if the WWE is going to associate themselves with Austin and have the Warrior be an actual award for courage and bravery (Lol) then Hulk Hogan should be allowed back into the fold. There is a difference there. I also do not believe Hogan's and Warriors words are actually as bad as assaulting and killing people. Are their words disturbing, untatsteful, hateful absolutely....people say stupid stuff all the time, Im sure every single one of us has said something stupid at one point or another. But how many of us have actually assaulted someone weaker than us, put them in the hospital, put them in fear of their life...killed them... you know actually commit crimes....I'd like to think none of us.

    Again I am fine with the WWE's current stand on Hogan especially in the current political climate completely understand it, if it was my company Id probably do the same thing, what Im not fine with is the WWE parading Steve Austin and Ric Flair around like gods once or twice a year after how they treat women Austin beats them, I believe Flair has had a history of it could be wrong, I know certainly he loves to sexually harass them like he did to the flight attendant by whipping out his junk..... but that is just the boys being the boys right.....

  6. #46
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    1,235
    Quote Originally Posted by American Mikey P View Post
    All I said was it’s not a good look for Jericho lol... which has caused you people to cal me a piece of shit ... an asshole ... and whatever other names you have called me. I am more Calling out fans from the front page not Jericho ... and guess what there are multiple
    People in this thread that stated they agree with me 100%. I’ll be dead honest your hero is a murderer and the internet wrestling community that had eaten the likes of reigns Cena etc alive for years can’t take it when The name Benoit is brought up in a negative light. Truth hurts. But I call it how I see it.

    And Steve Austin should absolutely be banned from the WWE in my opinion from an apearence stand point unfortunately he gets a pass because he did it in 2003 but guess what if that happened today he’s be fired and banned . Steve Austin scum bag.

    If calling women beaters and murderers scums bags makes me a narcissist moral asshole so be it. No sweat off my back what you people think of me I still wake up and go to work the next day.
    You're a narcissist because you insist on simplifying in a Manichean way what was a very complicated and dark situation, just so you can play armchair moralist and score cheap debate points about Roman fucking Reigns in a conversation about a complicated tragedy that involved issues such as steroid abuse, roid rage, severe mental health issues, and a double-murder suicide of course. Because that's the fucking appropriate time and context for you to rage about Roman Reigns haters, of course. Grow the fuck up. That isn't even to mention the buffoonish sense of entitlement you have whereby you think you're a better judge of the situation than Chris Jericho who has known Benoit and his family for over 30 years, in an intimate fashion, and was actually there experiencing all of this first hand, and was part of the process for the family gaining closure. As if somehow you have some great penetrating insight that the people involved need to heed. Your entire series of posts in this thread is nothing but a disgracefully embarrassing performance.

    So let's be clear about that before you now try to pretend as if you're somehow the victim, when in reality, you're a petty moralist preening on about your self-righteousness in the most inappropriate ways without a sense of empathy or understanding of the issues involved.

    And Debra herself repeatedly stated that she believed that Austin assaulted her because of roid rage in combination with alcohol, and that she showed up at WWE events with bruises and injuries, and everyone just turned the other way and pretended as if nothing happened because he was Steve Austin. Perhaps you should consider and examine some of these factors, and the role of the WWE and Vince in particular in fostering an environment of drugs, steroids abuse, and a relentless wrestling schedule that produced these sorts of results countless times, with several premature deaths of dozens of wrestlers stemming from enlarged hearts and steroid abuse, from all the way in the mid 80s to 2007 when the negative publicity from the Benoit tragedy forced their hands.

    With regards to Austin, it's clear that he's paid off his debt to society, he did his community service, and weened himself off of steroids, and has had no issues since then. It could be argued he could have been penalized more severely by the court, but that's debatable. Debra was of course completely right to leave him, and the real victim, but regardless, he reformed himself and became a decent person. Mental health issues and roid rage are a little something called 'mitigating circumstances' or 'extenuating circumstances' in these sorts of situations. Perhaps once you familiarize yourself with the very basics of criminal law and the morality of punishment, perhaps you can return and have a proper discussion.
    Last edited by Allystare; 01-06-2018 at 03:57 AM.

  7. #47
    Squared
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Northern England, UK
    Posts
    6,535
    All right gentlemen, I think we need to try and keep this a bit more civil from this point on. And if we can't debate the Benoit issue without targeting each other, I suggest moving on to the subject Cult Icon raided at the end of his post. You have the Omega match, and potential Naito match, as alternatives.
    "Eat my ass, Mooney"

  8. #48
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    1,235
    You're right, it *has* gotten heated, I'll back down, and apologize somewhat for the tone, though not the content.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Anyone else find it bemusing that Jericho was treated as a major star/legend in NJPW and they were able to do major business with him, with a larger Dome attendance than many years, high interest, and so on, meanwhile in the WWE he's always, with some exceptions, sort of treated like a so-so B- comedy legend, rather than on par with guys like Taker or Trips or Shawn. I'm not saying Jericho is necessarily of the same stature as Taker, because he isn't, but he is capable of being sort of like a Shawn-type legend who has good matches.

  9. #49
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    4,290
    I think there's more of a respect in Japan for wrestling stars than elsewhere.. plus, since they can't rely on promos to get someone over, you have to have characters that you want to make you money have a physical impact and then you have to pay it off in the ring. In WWE, you can do comedy skits and the list of Jericho and your actual matches don't really matter as much.. Although i do think Jericho could be treated in a way that you could build dream matches around.. He's one of the few left who can actually still go at a decent level.

  10. #50
    Senior Junior SirSam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Newcastle, Australia
    Posts
    1,532
    I think his utility value hurts him a lot, he can put on a compelling feaud that doesn't simply rely on the in built prestige of a Mania match. I'd say his willingness to get involved on a weekly level and put over younger talent also hurts him so he ends up getting put down to the same level as the weekly wrestlers as opposed to the Blockbuster ones like Taker & Triple H who only show up for the biggest moments.

  11. #51
    Senior Member American Mikey P's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Posts
    454
    Making the personal choice of doing steroids and drinking alcohol isnít an excuse for beating women and killing people. Sorry that is not how life works

  12. #52
    Word Enthusiast Steve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Deep in the heart
    Posts
    1,407
    Is reading not your fucking strong suit?

    Prime said to drop the subject and was far more lenient than I'd have been in deleting your previous post. Chill, dude. Respect the change of subject. Otherwise disciplinary action will follow.

  13. #53
    Something something this thread needs to be moved to the Japan section.

    Something.



  14. #54
    Squared
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Northern England, UK
    Posts
    6,535
    Fair enough. He seems to be staying there. I might move this back if he does start working outside of Japan, though.
    "Eat my ass, Mooney"

  15. #55
    I beat up Kong! Powder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    5,478
    AXS tv on Verizon Fios broadcasts NJPW, and last night they had Wrestle Kingdom on last night. Great match between Omega and Jericho. It is amazing that Jericho at 47 can still go as well as he can.

  16. #56
    Senior Member Oliver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    2,282
    Did the plunder involves help Jericho? I'm leaning on the side that it did, and that he might not be able to go for a workrate star chasing kind of Omega match that Okada or Naito can.

    I'm really interested to see what shape Naito Vs Jericho takes.

  17. #57
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    4,290
    I think it goes the same way as the Omega match did. I think we have to give Jericho credit for not trying to work a New Japan style main event while also working his ass off. Shows that he knows he has limitations.

    I really enjoyed the Omega match but you shave 5 mins off, its even better. They had an issue doing the blade job that bogged down the match.

  18. #58
    The Brain
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    5,098
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazyking View Post
    I think it goes the same way as the Omega match did. I think we have to give Jericho credit for not trying to work a New Japan style main event while also working his ass off. Shows that he knows he has limitations.
    This, absolutely. He's still a GREAT performer, and now that he's working around his limitations instead of against them that's more apparent than ever.

  19. #59
    Senior Member Oliver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    2,282
    So you guys are thinking Naito Vs Jericho goes with a No DQ stip as well?

  20. #60
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    4,290
    If not, the rules will be relaxed. I mean you rarely get DQs in New Japan anyway even with Suzuki Gun swinging around chairs... and I don't think Jericho wants to wrestle a 25 min plus match mostly in the ring, its not his strength...

  21. #61
    Senior Junior SirSam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Newcastle, Australia
    Posts
    1,532
    I was listening to his post match podcast with Omega, which is a fascinating listen btw, and they said that it was originally going to be a more technical 'Okada/Omega' style match (their words) but as the feud evolved they realised it had to be something different so they adapted it to what they go in the ring. Apparently a lot of it was just worked out on the fly too which is amazing because it is such a characterful match. I've watched it a few times now and just wrote s big ol' column about it and despite the chaotic nature of it the whole thing is very well constructed.

    I imagine given the nature of the attack on Naito and the pull apart brawl that followed it will get a similar stipulation. I love this bitter, jealous and vengeful character Jericho has constructed for this run. It is the perfect foil for these great technicians.

  22. #62
    Squared
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Northern England, UK
    Posts
    6,535
    Is it Long Beach for Jericho and Naito, do we think?
    "Eat my ass, Mooney"

  23. #63
    I guess we'll find out this weekend or next, but I'd venture to guess yes. My gut feeling for the Long Beach show at this moment is that they're going to headline it with these three matches; Rey-Liger, Jericho-Naito and The Golden Lovers vs. The Young Bucks. Being the Elite had a hint on last week's episode where Nick Jackson had a premonition of driving to Long Beach, which in California is the 710 Exit...the same number of the room he, Nick, Kenny and Kota were all in during that mysterious meeting. Just a thought!


  24. #64
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Gold Coast, Australia
    Posts
    1,329
    Someone's been given the inside scoop lol

  25. #65
    The Brain
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    5,098
    Quote Originally Posted by Cult Icon View Post
    I guess we'll find out this weekend or next, but I'd venture to guess yes. My gut feeling for the Long Beach show at this moment is that they're going to headline it with these three matches; Rey-Liger, Jericho-Naito and The Golden Lovers vs. The Young Bucks.
    WOW, that has the potential to really draw. They are also bringing the other New Japan big names over, yes?

  26. #66
    Squared
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Northern England, UK
    Posts
    6,535
    I guess they'll need to draw; aren't they holding this in a venue more than twice the size of their last trip to the States?

    On the plus side, you could say that if they can do this now it goes a long way to proving that Cody and his boys could draw that mythical 10,000 figure with the right card and promotion.
    "Eat my ass, Mooney"

  27. #67
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Gold Coast, Australia
    Posts
    1,329
    Holds about 5,300 unless I've missed something and they sold out within 20 minutes anyway, so...

  28. #68
    The Brain
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    5,098
    Was just thinking that. Omega, Jericho, and Rey are three of the most common names that come up when speculating on how to successfully draw that 10K house, along of course with the three promoters. If they can sell this out, I'd say they have a better shot that ever.

    Wait, did they really already sell out that fast? Damn, that's cool!

  29. #69
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Gold Coast, Australia
    Posts
    1,329
    Yep. And that's before any of the matches were announced, obviously. I have no doubt they'll sell out that 10k show.

  30. #70
    Squared
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Northern England, UK
    Posts
    6,535
    Oh, the thing I read made it sound like the sell out was for the last set of shows they did in the US.

    I read the venue actually holds 8,000, too. Interesting.
    "Eat my ass, Mooney"

  31. #71
    The Brain
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    5,098
    Found this info from our good buddy Meltzer, who tends to be accurate about stuff like this:

    Even though there was an immediate site crash, leaving people who were in the process of ordering tickets shut down and having to reload from the start, costing them tickets they thought they had, it took only 20 minutes for the March 25th New Japan "Strong Style Evolved" show in Long Beach to sell out.

    The company put close to 5,000 tickets on sale. The building has been set up for 5,300 fans and some tickets were held back, including many for the Japanese markets for fans there traveling over. Because so few are left, no tickets will be put on sale for the general public in Japan, and the only primary tickets left will be available to members of the New Japan fan club.

    New Japan sold out immediately even though it's the second time in the same market and the show is two weeks before WrestleMania. It also sold out without anything announced for the show. The lineup isn't likely to be announced until all angles and match results that would relate to the show have taken place in Japan.

  32. #72
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Gold Coast, Australia
    Posts
    1,329
    Yeah, that's what I thought. I don't care or think it would have mattered if they tried to sell out a 15-20k arena. I think they would have done it.

  33. #73
    The Brain
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    5,098
    I'd love to see them give it a shot if they come over again in the summer, which I absolutely think they should do.

  34. #74
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Gold Coast, Australia
    Posts
    1,329
    They'll continue to sell out shows with 5k people in 20 minutes. That's before matches are even announced. Once matches are announced they'd sell even more if they weren't sold out. Plus, this is right before Mania. I could have seen a ton of fans coming out earlier to see this show if they had it in a bigger venue.

  35. #75
    Squared
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Northern England, UK
    Posts
    6,535
    Yeah, that's good enough for me. Building 'set-up' for 5300 might just mean they're not going for full capacity for whatever reason. The record attendance there is 6900 or thereabouts apparently, though why there's a theoretical capacity of 8000 is beyond me.
    "Eat my ass, Mooney"

  36. #76
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Gold Coast, Australia
    Posts
    1,329
    Which was for a basketball game or something I believe? Would have thought you'd fit more in for a wresting event than a basketball game.

  37. #77
    The Brain
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    5,098
    Depends on how big a stage they are using, I guess?

  38. #78
    Squared
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Northern England, UK
    Posts
    6,535
    You can definitely fit more in for a wrestling show than for basketball. It either sounds like they are going to have some elaborate staging as Mizzie suggests, or they've got their own reasons for limiting capacity. Maybe to guarantee a sellout. Maybe too make the crowd easier to manage. Who really knows.
    "Eat my ass, Mooney"

  39. #79
    They will be back later this year. I was told they were looking into doing a show in the fall an that they had initially looked at the Cow Palace before deciding against it. I don't recall what the backup plan was, but it was going to be on the west coast again (that said, I have no inside info on Bucks-Golden Lovers happening in Long Beach. That's just my theory from the video!).

    But yeah, they absolutely should go bigger. I appreciate their modesty to this point and how they've wanted to start small to make sure they can draw but it's pretty clear now New Japan, at least on the west coast, is an unquestionable hit. The most underrated aspect of it to me is that they drew this sell out so quickly two weeks before Mania. I have to imagine a lot of the folks going to this show are the same ones who are traveling to see Mania, which would lead you to think (considering the cost to go to one show, let alone two) that those fans would prioritize Mania over New Japan. It didn't even matter, which I think is proof that New Japan can run whenever, wherever on the west coast and draw a huge audience. If the Cow Palace is off the table, I anticipate they'll try the Staples Center for the next event and even if they don't sell out, they'll come close.

    The other big thing; I wouldn't doubt these west coast New Japan shows become a sort of mini Mania weekend. Hell the weekend of Strong Style Evolved is going to feature a PWG show on Friday (Chuck Taylor vs. Keith Lee!) and it's possible LU might be taping during that time as well. That's three hot ticket shows within close proximity to each other. I wouldn't doubt if that continues to be a thing the more shows New Japan runs in California.


  40. #80
    Squared
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Northern England, UK
    Posts
    6,535
    The Cow Palace? Holy shit, that place is a fucking barn. Would love to see them fill out something that kinda size. Pretty sure when I was doing the Monday Night Wars I saw that WCW put well over 12000 in there for Superbrawl two years running.
    "Eat my ass, Mooney"

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •