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    Ryback vs WWE

    Ryback was apparently either sent home or asked to go home, depending on who you ask, due to a contract dispute. The rumor is that he is perfectly content to sit out the remainder of his deal (and Vince feels the same way) unless they can come to an agreement.

    Then, this pops up on a Tumblr blog reportedly belonging to Ryback:

    Today I sit and fly home and for the first time in years feel absolutely free. I will start by saying I did request to be taken off of WWE television until myself and Vince could get a yes or no on a new deal. This has been going on since my IC Title run and had been nothing but a major strain on my life as all I ever wanted to do was work for WWE. I was told to head home until we agree or not agree to specific terms and contrary to reports it isn’t over money or a bus that stuff was settled a while ago. It comes down to a major problem I have with not only WWE but wrestling in general.

    Wrestling is pre determined, we as performers know before we go out to that ring or perform a backstage scene who is winning and losing etc or have a general idea of what we are going to say. It blows my mind how in a sport which is pre determined from a company standpoint winners are paid so much more than the losers. Every single person who works for WWE from top to bottom is absolutely just as valuable as the next. The winners cannot win unless the losers go out there and agree to lose to them.

    It blows my mind that in this day and age though we still adhere to this formula. Obviously things have always been this way, but does that make them right? Times have changed and our goal as humans should be to evolve and learn from our past and the past of others so we could make this world a better place. Why is it a guy who is told he is going to go out and lose and does everything he is told be paid not only less, but much less than said winner over a period of time. Every single performer for WWE sacrifices the same amount of time from home and their families and every single man or women goes out and does what they are told. Looking at this formula though losers turn into what fans like to call jobbers and their value decreases in the companies eyes and before you know it they get released. For what? For doing exactly as they are told!

    Why not pay the talent equally? The winners have more MERCH as it is or are supposed to anyways so they get that extra perk, but why make the guy who is told to and agrees to lose earn less and sacrifice spots in big pay per view match ups etc. This is one of the major problems with wrestling and WWE today. Most guys take great satisfaction in helping making other talent, the bitching and the moaning we always hear about stems from the fact they know they are ultimately over time going to make less and live in fear of being released.

    I am proud to say I have never gone to change a finish and have gladly took pride in helping put over other talent. Hell look at my pay per view record of 12-26 and you will see that has been the pattern of my career. I have always been confident in my ability and work ethic to being my best every day and ultimately always felt that by doing good it was the right thing to do. Personally seeing my money go down over the years though even though I was working as much as ever and being denied magazine covers and other projects as well as watching my role diminish no matter what I did or how hard I tried takes its toll on a human. Being told no matter how hard I work or how good I get doesn’t always pay off is something I fucking refuse to ever believe in my life. I am a creative being and to be restricted time and time again is no way to live life. There is nothing I cannot do and I know no matter what comes of this situation I am going to be just fine. It isn’t soley about money, it is about commitment. Commitment to a guy who fucking cares and who loves this more than anything in the world and wants to know that his passion his efforts and his determination to constantly improve is going to be recognized and taken care of.

    WWE may very well release me, which if it is the case so be it. If we can work things out a lot needs to change as I am not living in fear and creatively cannot continue to live a life that limits me creatively. I have many other interests and passions and have been very smart with my finances over the years. I thank every WWE superstar from top to bottom for their sacrifices and for working with me. The world is an amazing place and there is more than just a WWE universe there is The Universe and I will prove one way or another over time I am the greatest big guy in the universe!
    Is Ryback done with the company? Is that relationship salvageable? Are we just a few months away from Ryback popping up in ROH or NJPW? Has CM Punk earned a measure of respect for Ryback today?

    See, I've always worked with the knowledge that you ask what you ask, whether you're winning or losing. I want the same pay either way. But I get what's being said there: Fandango is making waaaay less than Roman Reigns. On the one hand, you'd say that's fair, because Roman earns more money for the company through merch and ticket sales.

    I'd argue, and WrestleMania proved, that the WWE brand is the draw, not any single performer or match. On top of that, many of those lower tier guys aren't given the option to move merch, because none is made for them. Are people going to buy Fandango shirts? Likely not. But for a four or five month period three years ago, I'll bet you Fandango foam fingers at $25 each could have bought the guy a house.

    What are everyone's thoughts? I'm not sure that I have mine yet.
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    He's probably done. It's not that it's irreparable, I just don't see why Vince would want to. He's damaged good for the WWE at this point based on how they've booked him, but he could be useful to someone else. Perhaps NJPW, though there are probably better gajin giants out there to get, so I don't know if they take him. Vince loves confrontation, and respects people who stick up for themselves, but they actually have to be stars that are worth something. If people remember Vince was trying his darnest to get Punk to come back during 2014, whereas Hunter was done with him. Then there's the list of other people who left Vince and had had a falling out with him, and Vince still brought em back.

    The problem is I don't Ryback is worth it, for the WWE. But not totally out of the question either.

    As for whether if CM Punk gained new respect for him, um.... Hell no? Punk thinks Ryback is jacked up peice of talentless, unintelligent shit. I doubt he gained any sympathy for him. Especially considering Ryback was mocking Punk long after Punk was gone.

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    Can't agree with much of what he says. Some people deserve more money than others, sorry. No two guys bring the same amount of tools to WWE. Should Cena and Fandango make the same?

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    Well, even Stalin wrote essays on why people are not equal and do not deserve to be paid the same. So Ryback is even more extreme.

    I agree with him in one sense though. Amongst the three Shield guys, according to the Forbes article that had WWE pays leaked, Reigns got like 2.1 million, where Seth got less, and Dean got even less (Dean was 1 million I think). Considering how they've all worked pretty much equally hard in the post-break up, how arguably none of them is a real draw, and how Dean and Seth are more talented and over, you'd think they'd be paid roughly the same. Yet, because Reigns is the chosen one and the one who is pushed and booked to be strong and win, he gets over double what Dean gets.

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    I actually sort of agree with Ryback. Wrestling is predetermined, therefore you can't say this person or that person is better based off wins and loses, unless you have a reason for wins and loses. Now if you have a formula on pay based off TV ratings when you're on screen, and crowd pop or heat at house shows, then I can see. And if your a main eventer, of course you'll get paid more. I doubt anyone is getting paid more in Hamilton than Lin-Manuel Miranda, so no one will get paid more than the WWE main event scene. Kevin Nash once said that wrestling was all a work until you get your check as WWF champion, because that extra pay is a shoot. So yeah, you pay your main eventers more. But in terms of mid-card, which the majority of people are, you could have some sort of rubric to explain pay and even set goals with talent to get paid more. Like if you want extra pay, pop a rating once you get onscreen, get yourself trending on Twitter, make people care about you. Once people care about you, pay will go up.

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    This is just an excuse I think. I would be willing to be that everyone in the midcard is making about the same amount; maybe not exactly the same across the board but close enough that it's not a great distance apart. I'd also reckon Ryback is making more than most because he's a) a long tenured employee compared to most of the roster and b) has been in the main event scene. So while I do think he has a point, I don't think that's what is going on here. I think he's ticked off his career has flat lined ever since he was turned heel after Wrestlemania 29 and he's fed up with it.


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    My comment isn't about Ryback, it's about the "brass ring".

    If you are never given the opportunity to grab the ring....is that your fault?

    If you go off-script/plan and it works at that point are you grabbing the hypothetical ring? Or is it a cause to push you farther down the ladder because you didn't do what you're told?

    I don't think I am a communist, but I do think everyone should get a true shot.

    T.O. is right, Ryback shouldn't make as much as Cena....but people don't get the chances that Cena got....so how are we supposed to know what your ceiling is?

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    Life isn't fair and neither is a business like WWE. Even if you agree with his points, he has no leverage, even less so in this network era where you could say one performer is drawing buyrates before in the ppv era, its about the brand and the stars they do have now. Nothing they do with Ryback now will really improve his career unless all of the sudden this post of his makes him a bigger star, that's doubtful.

    I think Ryback saw his contract coming up, they offered him less than he thought he was worth and so he went home. If he returns, he looks like a bitch who caved.. WWE isn't going to take someone like him seriously. Maybe if it was John Cena...

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    What Ryback doesn't realize that not every entertainer is worth the same.

    Look at the Marvel movies. Robert Downey Jr. makes far more than Chris Evans in the last Avengers movie. Meanwhile, Evans has to get in crazy shape and run around in some uncomfortable costume, while Downey mostly just has to stroll onto set in a t-shirt he probably got from home. So why is one guy making $40 mill, while the other makes $6.9? RDJ is just the more popular guy.

    I do think WWE dropped a huge ball with Ryback, but it seems like he let the jobbing get to him. And if you think about it, if his contract was up soon, and it wasn't sure he'd re-sign, would you make him the new champion?

    Ryback is done. He's apparently already fighting WWE over the Big Guy trademark.

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    Yes there are tiered paychecks, but the midcard guys should make more than what they do. It is like what Ventura was fighting for 30+ years ago. A union. The talent are not "independent contractors". If that was the case, then there shouldn't be a non-compete clause or the talent should be able to move freely between companies.

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    He's correct, but if he cant dictate this shit.

    He'll do absolutely fine in Japan, they'll love him

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    This whole situation, if that Reddit post is legitmately Ryback (and based on wording it definitely sounds like Ryan Reeves) just screams to allow guys to mould themselves. Let them come up with gimmicks. Let them write their own promos. Allow them the chance to genuinely connect with fans. Let the fans truly decide the pay differentiation. If fans don't dig it then the wrestlers now truly know where they stand in the industry if allowed artistic expression. Though beyond that, the pay on the lower end should be much closer to even. Not even, but much closer than it is.

    Imagine how the girls feel? (Don't they make less than even guys like Fandango do?)


    Edit- As for Punk? This is much different. Ryback actually cares about people beyond his own nose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section ( 8 ) View Post
    What Ryback doesn't realize that not every entertainer is worth the same.

    Look at the Marvel movies. Robert Downey Jr. makes far more than Chris Evans in the last Avengers movie. Meanwhile, Evans has to get in crazy shape and run around in some uncomfortable costume, while Downey mostly just has to stroll onto set in a t-shirt he probably got from home. So why is one guy making $40 mill, while the other makes $6.9? RDJ is just the more popular guy.
    Thought of this exact comparison. I'm not totally sure where the "We work the same hours, we should be paid the same" argument comes from. If this was a fair world, then sure. But in no aspect of life does this happen.

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    The girls actually make more, if I remember correctly. At least in NXT they do and I'd imagine that the contract structure is the same.

    The women are expected to maintain a certain appearance, which is largely more expensive to do than the men, and are compensated as such.

    I would really love to see Ryback in ROH or Japan or both. A monster heel run in Japan and the US indies (Ryback and Cage in PWG as an unstoppable monster duo that a babyface team needs to chop down is money) would be great for the guy.

    I think that he likely was asked to take a pay cut. WWE is usually three year contracts, correct? So three years ago when he last signed, he was being positioned to be a player and was probably payed for that. Now he's not one. But I don't think that he deserves a cut. He's improved himself tenfold in the past three years as a performer and should be rewarded for that.

    I don't buy in to the whole "everyone should be paid the same" argument. I believe that everyone should be compensated based on what they bring to the table. But I think that Ryback has gotten a raw deal from day one. He was catching fire and was, arguably, the number two babyface in the company back in 2013 only to be turned before he could do anything with the momentum and get fed to John Cena. He was recovering in 2015 and caught on again against all odds. He was working his way back up, getting more and more over and again they turned him for no real reason and killed his momentum dead before he could do anything with it.

    I'd be pissed, too. Here's a company that kills you twice, just as you're getting over and ready to make the leap to the next level of the card who turns around and offers you a deal that you find insulting...only to tell you that if you were higher up the card or more over you'd get more money?

    Ryback should stick to his guns. Go tear through the indies and become the top gaijin the Japan -- at his size and with the skill that he actually does possess, he'll do it easily and make a great living. Then, when WWE comes knocking at the door in three or four years (the guy's only 34, tons of time left!), tell them that they meet your demands or they can stick it up their ass.

    If I'm not mistaken, the guy doesn't need their money and can afford to hold out. He paid cash for his house in Vegas and can get work anywhere on earth. Especially in that first year as "ex WWE Star Ryback".

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    Ryback's time to be a top guy in WWE has past, BUT his time to make lots and lots of money in Japan has not. Ryback has Japanese monster written all over him, and he'd make lots and lots of money in Japan. If I was him, I'd go to Japan, get that money, work with ROH a little and he can take his career to the next level. In WWE, he hadn't reached his ceiling yet, but if he ever got a short run with the belt then that's about as high as he'd go. So while he never got to his WWE ceiling, he wasn't far off. With that said, his ceiling and money making potential in Japan is way higher than in WWE. I'm all for Ryback doing something new.

    Here is the thing, up until 2001, wrestlers could move around to get the most money they can in the US. Now you can't do that. But now with a smaller world, you can go internationally. And by going international, you expand your brand even further. People are online watching wrestling from around the world. Plus it's like the territory system was, because they didn't get to see that wrestler in person until they came to your country, there is excitement when they arrive. Ryback in Japan maybe the best thing to ever happen to his career. He has about 5-6 really good more earning years left. In many ways, this is a blessing in disguise for him.


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    If Ryback goes to Japan and gets the big paycheck, will he then quit if the lower level guys do not make as much as him? If not, then he is a complete hypocrite.

    When currently I do support his decision.

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    Honestly, I think he has a point but I completely disagree with how he did this.

    Guys who do the jobs and work as a heel are going to make less money than guys getting a push and who are faces. This is because merchandise bonuses are a thing. So the guys doing the job and heeling out should get more money. If they did that, I think less guys would argue about doing jobs.

    But Ryback is a talent under contract. He should not bash the company and he should go out the right way.

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    I think he said this to get symphty and some leverage but he's gonna find that Vince isn't gonna budge and it might hurt Ryback going elsewhere because he's gonna get alot of money to work elsewhere and the guy he works is probably going to make way less.. isn't that a little hypocritical of him?

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    I thought his argument was that while unfair of payments in a scripted sported, he didn't have the freedom to make his own money. He mentions how WWE would not allow him to do magazine shoots and other projects he had interest in. I imagine that this would be a non-issue if they would let talent explore their options & market themselves (Not for other promotions, but set up their own tv appearances and magazine shoots) and have an inch of creative freedoms in their characters on screen.

    I know that John Cena had said to take risks and get yourself over, but talent has to consider the percentage of success to suspension/release. Titus O'Neal was just just suspended for 60 days for grabbing Vince's arm, how many talent want to stick their necks out again and face the wrath of McMahon?

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    There has to be a higher level of pay based on your worth. The problem is, how is that worth determined? WWE decides on what your gimmick is. If that fails to get over with the fans you linger in the base of the company hoping to get in superstars. If you get a great gimmick and a.solid push to start but don't have the talent to get it over you end up in the same boat.
    For someone to reach the top stars must align in your favour. Not everything is in your hands. You need the look. You need charisma. You need a gimmick you and the fans can connect to. You need to be good in the ring. You need TV time. You need to be in programs that matter. You need to deliver everytime you step into the ring. However, even if the stars align you need Vince to light the fire under you to get the promotional push that is needed. Once you are at the top or even in the top half of the company you to have merchandise and a social media presence that matters. (Yes I did just say that)
    I agree that guys shouldn't get lowballed on contract offers but if you have connected with the viewers 85% of the time Vince will use you and you get paid very well.
    Losses won't matter a great deal if people see on tv that you are bothered by losing. Losing a match and simply moving on means fans move on too. Guys need to sell the fact that they are disgusted by a result.

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