ROH Live show discussion

[glow]

Any general ROH discussion on the show here

[Lazyking]

Mike mondo (Mikey from the spirit squad) Took Davey Richards to a time limit draw last night in WV... little over a Week til Best in the world and you have the former champ drawing with a WWE reject jobber?

ROH is turning sad... Steen is like the only reason I care right now.. oh and Elgin.

[FoonZeeS]

The decisions RoH was been making lately have left me completely flabbergasted.

I can't stand Kevin Kelly. I'd almost rather have The Hodge back in the booth.

[Stitch]

Well, I watched RoH on TV the other day, and watched the Briscoes destroy some jobber team. Watching the Briscoes vs some jobbers is more exciting than 99% of the tag matches I've watched on WWE televison recently.

[Lazyking]

Best in the World 2012 is tonight.. I will be watching it somewhere else but that's because I don't trust RoH only reason I'm gonna watch it is to see if the issues are fixed with the help they're bringing in. The show itself doesn't intrest me that much but it could be good.

[FoonZeeS]

Interested to see who the guardians of truth are.

Hope Cole beats O'Riely's ass. I can't stand that motherfucker.

Hope Steen breaks Richard's neck.

And hopefully their production values are better.

[TeamFarrell]

Well, close. O'Riely broke Cole's face.

[nakedboy]

Interested to see who the guardians of truth are.


Me too. I am disappointed no one is posting the results on LoP. Seems like RoH gets no love on main page. I understand not posting a lot of stories but at least results of iPPVs.

[Lazyking]

Just checked rules again, deleted my link.. anyway, was an okay show. People were making a too big of a deal over ROH screwing up the IPPV by letting people who didn't order border wars watch for free.. Yeah it was a mistake but those people who watched wern't going to pay for it anyway. Plus, after watching the stream, maybe some who chose not to because of previous stream issues, may decide to buy the next show. I'm leaning that way.

on another note, Steen's end promo was pointless.

[nakedboy]

Lazyking, who were the Guardians of Truth?

Ok forget that, I found results and see they were masked. But I have another question. According to the write up at the end Steen said F-U not to RoH but F-U to Ring of Honor. Is that how it went down? And if so, do you think this means a name change like ECW when through? If not officially at least in story line by Steen.

[Lazyking]

No, it's not a name change. that's what the promotion is called... He said basically that he's gonna kill ring of honor and fuck New york..which got cheered lol

GoT is apparently the Headbangers

[Omega]

Me too. I am disappointed no one is posting the results on LoP. Seems like RoH gets no love on main page. I understand not posting a lot of stories but at least results of iPPVs.

We had ROH Friday on the Main Page but it ended up getting cancelled due to lack of interest.

[sixxisking]

Hey, I read that column every week... I was the 1%

[Omega]

Lol...okay, well nobody ever really commented on it.

That and it was getting increasingly harder for Romeo to watch the shows, and since he had the Main Page Access it created difficulty in posting the shows.

[nakedboy]

No, it's not a name change. that's what the promotion is called... He said basically that he's gonna kill ring of honor and fuck New york..which got cheered lol

GoT is apparently the Headbangers

No, I know RoH stands for Ring Of Honor. I just meant the way he said it was like he was not dissing RoH but Ring of Honor. So I thought maybe he wanted RoH to be known as something new. But it is good to know that even New Yorkers hate New York lol

I did not know about the column but then again I have just started getting more into RoH since I can see it on TV weekly.

[Oliver]

Is it worth watching the show from yesterday? I've fallen behind on watching RoH, only thing I've watched recently is Steen winning the belt.

[Omega]

Finlay vs Elgin was good, you get some shock value when Mondo says he's gonna fuck Maria, and the Main Event was Steentastic but overall the show isn't anything to turn a cartwheel over.

Ciampa is a fucking star in the making, but that god damn blonde beard is a terrible look for him.

[JohnnyPrefect]

GoT is apparently the Headbangers
Color me intrigued. Obviously, their stay wouldn't be a long one, but I enjoyed the Headbangers during their WWE run. In ROH, and especially against the Briscoes, they could regain a groundswell of support if they can work more than the WWE-style.

[SOS]

Ciampa is a fucking star in the making, but that god damn blonde beard is a terrible look for him.

That blonde beard is truly awful. I can't take him seriously while he sports it.

[Omega]

I didn't even know what it was at first...it just doesn't fit with the rest of Ciampa.

But the kid is fucking entertaining as hell.

[Lazyking]

Before or after his macho madness gimmick change? I'm probably the only one who saw potential in the kid the minute I saw him.

[Omega]

Before or after his macho madness gimmick change? I'm probably the only one who saw potential in the kid the minute I saw him.

I knew he'd be special when I saw him wrestling in Ohio Valley Wrestling. We use to get it on syndicated televisions since Louisville is only a hop and a skip away.

The Sicilian Psychopath is an awesome nickname too.

[nakedboy]

Agreed he is good. Even if it took awhile to get use to his name but now I like it. As far as the beard, that is the trend these days. Well usually its is streaks in the hair but beard is close enough. It is just a way to stick out a bit. Gone are the days of the gimmick, thank goodness, but as guys start to seem similar they need something to stick out in their look. I would think as they get bigger and people know them for them, they will lose their blonde streaks.

[FoonZeeS]

I watched the show last night. Well everything but the tag title match. I don't really give a shit about either team.

Truth pulling off the black masks of the GoT only to have another black mask underneath was awesome.

Jesus did Cole's face blow up. Amazing. I'm glad Cole won, I can't stand O'Reily.

Finlay and Elgin was alright.

The PSA was a waste of time, Well, except staring at Maria the whole time and trying to see when the fan grabbed her ass.

The TV Title 3-way was a decent affair.

Kyle O'Reily coming out to declare he was leaving Richards was stupid and a waste of time. Corino on commentary was gold. Not a bad match between Richards and Steen, but also nothing to be excited about. Steen's post-match rambling was dumb.

[Omega]

I thought if it weren't for Ciampa, Lethal, and Strong that Finlay vs Elgin would have been the match of the night.

But I can't really stand Davey, so I might be a tad bit biased.

I can't believe the Headbangers were the GoT, they really didn't look like they lost much of a step.

[FoonZeeS]

The Finlay v Elgin match just went on too long for my liking.

I'm with ya, I hate Davey.

The Headbangers did look pretty good out there.

I really wish they'd get rid of Kevin Kelly and just have Nigel and Corino on commentary.

[Lazyking]

I watched the show last night. Well everything but the tag title match. I don't really give a shit about either team.

Truth pulling off the black masks of the GoT only to have another black mask underneath was awesome.

Jesus did Cole's face blow up. Amazing. I'm glad Cole won, I can't stand O'Reily.

Finlay and Elgin was alright.

The PSA was a waste of time, Well, except staring at Maria the whole time and trying to see when the fan grabbed her ass.

The TV Title 3-way was a decent affair.

Kyle O'Reily coming out to declare he was leaving Richards was stupid and a waste of time. Corino on commentary was gold. Not a bad match between Richards and Steen, but also nothing to be excited about. Steen's post-match rambling was dumb.


basically same thoughts I had. They had no tech issues except for everyone getting the show free but since I know several diehards who felt so bad that they were getting the show for free cause of border wars that they bought the show anyway, I don't think it matters. Hell, maybe the free show will get people to order the next one.

I still need to watch the start, I came in at Cole's teeth on the canvas.. that was sick.

You didn't miss much with the tag match. Very southern, face in peril style match that fell apart at the end... They did two FiP's and the finish was stupid.

Corino was why I enjoyed Steen and Richards. I love Steen but the match was just a brutal spotfest that fell flat to me..Sometimes that works and other times you think, "does it really matter?" Yes Steen's promo was dumb because New york no sold it lol.

[Omega]

I'm not even gonna lie, I laughed my ass off when Mike Mondo said "when I beat you, I'm gonna fuck you."

That is last thing I expected from a former member of the Spirit Squad.

Also, Mondo's hair is god damn horrible.

[Lazyking]

^That was the best line of the night lol but Mondo is terrible on the mic..very uneven way of speaking but guess it works in ROH since basically that's the whole roster besides a few.

[FoonZeeS]

I wish Mondo would've gotten ahold of Maria.

[Lazyking]

and "raped" her in the ring like Colt did some girl in IWA: MS

[TheAman]

That match was weird. You had a super heel defending his girlfriend against a tweener/face (at least being one at his show) who was threatening to rape her.

[Omega]

Still, the concept of a member of the Spirit Squad saying fuck and threatening to rape Maria is pretty funny considering the Spirit Squad were a bunch of gay cheerleaders.

[Lazyking]

They had no one else.. and I'm sure Mondo went a little off script.. besides its new york, shit is ass backwards there. Steen can say Fuck New york, yay! Bennett says that, BOO!!

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

so reportedly guardians were supposed to be mcmg with roh cheating tna by using them as masked performers

[FoonZeeS]

That would've been awesome. It also would have fit better than Mosh & Thrasher as "a team that if their name was said would send everyone running for the hills in terror".

[Omega]

I liked the Headbangers.

Also, I'm pretty sure Alex Shelley has left TNA.

[Lazyking]

yeah but Sabin didn't and they were supposdly gonna use the two for the show except Sabin blew his knee out.. I don't really buy it.

[Omega]

They'd of been better off with LAX. Man LAX vs the Briscoes would have been bomb.

[Lazyking]

i don't think it would have been too surprising for the Got masked gimmick tho lol. I think LAX and briscoes have gone at it before in ROH forgot the show tho.

[Duce]

I want to first say I am sorry if I have posted this in the wrong spot. They just started showing the Ring of Honor t.v. show here on Saturday night a few months back and I have a few questions. What's the best way to get into Ring of Honor? I have been trying to watch but I am not understanding everything and wanted to know from you guys the fans whats the best way to get into it.

[Omega]

I want to first say I am sorry if I have posted this in the wrong spot. They just started showing the Ring of Honor t.v. show here on Saturday night a few months back and I have a few questions. What's the best way to get into Ring of Honor? I have been trying to watch but I am not understanding everything and wanted to know from you guys the fans whats the best way to get into it.

It helps if you love sports of some kind, because ROH treats Wrestling like a sport for the most part.

[Duce]

I do love sport and that's one of things I have really loved about it so far. I guess it's the getting into the story lines and getting acquainted with the characters that is going to take me some time.

[Omega]

Eh, I dunno about that. It helps if you watch Indy wrestling, that'll help you know more about the characters.

Especially Kevin Steen the ROH Champion.

[Cereal]

I'll be going to the roh show in Mississauga oct 13th..Traveling 500miles from Timmins to Toronto for the show (well to visit the city too,lol) Row 2.

[TheAman]

Just got back from the ROH TV tapings. Some good stuff, I won't post any spoilers, but someone made a return to ROH after a long layoff, a new contender for the World Title from outside the organization, and other big things happened I can't post without being spoilerish.

[Omega]

Just got back from the ROH TV tapings. Some good stuff, I won't post any spoilers, but someone made a return to ROH after a long layoff, a new contender for the World Title from outside the organization, and other big things happened I can't post without being spoilerish.

You could always go the smartass route and say there is a Television Title Match.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

Just got back from the ROH TV tapings. Some good stuff, I won't post any spoilers, but someone made a return to ROH after a long layoff, a new contender for the World Title from outside the organization, and other big things happened I can't post without being spoilerish.

mind pm'ing me the spoilers

[Mandy]

mind pm'ing me the spoilersWhat channel carries ROH programming?

I valet'ed in ROH for 4 months. Enjoyed the crowds a lot. Very exciting.

[TheAman]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the tag titles now that ROH is refusing to work with Kenny King anymore.

[Lazyking]

Likely give Rhett a partner at the next show.

To me, ROH shouldn't have given ANX the title on a handshake deal. They screwed themselves especially the way it sounds like Kenny was playing them all along.

[KiLL CoLD]

How was he playing them? He got offered something else when he wasn't under contract. You are a fool if you wouldn't try and better your standing, especially when you have nothing holding you to stay in once place.

Fuck outta here. ROH been dicking people over for the past 3 years. Its about time they got fucked over for their stupid choices.

He knew what he was doing and in no way was he playing them. He told them he was working the show. That was more then good enough on his part. He didn't have to tell them anything if he didn't want to.

[Lazyking]

I mean playing them in the sense that he shook hands, agreed to a deal and ROH even says was hemming and hawing over the contract. Kenny can do what he wants but if I had a guy who needs to take a few days to sign a contract, I'm not putting the belt on him. ROH should have realized that he wanted to explore other options and that's on them.

Edit: I didn't mean to sound like I was coming down on King but he obviously wasn't committed to ROH and they were stupid enough to take his word.

[Duce]

[QUOTE=KiLL CoLD;7778]

Fuck outta here. ROH been dicking people over for the past 3 years. Its about time they got fucked over for their stupid choices.
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Sorry I am new to the ROH scene but I would love to hear some stories about this if you have any.

[Lazyking]

He means that ROH put wrestlers on contract, effectively not allowing them to wrestle for Gabe Saplosky's companies or anything else that's on TV. it really was a dumb move considering these wrestlers are making peanuts for ROH and should be able to go out and wrestle for whoever.

[Duce]

What are Gabe Saplosky's companies? Sorry I am new to all of this. Just been watching roh here locally for a couple of months.

[Lazyking]

Gabe was the former booker of ROH. He left in late 2008, began working for DGUSA and Evolve and around that time ROH made contracts for their wrestlers. Davey Richards was working for Gabe then bailed on him to sign with ROH.

The contracts are stupid imo because independent wrestlers should be able to work on any show they want. They're not making WWE or hell even TNA money.

Kenny King didn't sign an actual contract and basically just told ROH to fuck themselves and worked TNA last night.

[KiLL CoLD]

Being that he wasn't under contract he didn't tell them to go fuck themselves. If he had worked without having the courtesy to tell them then maybe you can make that argument. If ROH really gave a fuck they would be aware of when their workers contracts are up. You don't wait until someones contract is up if you plan on keeping them. He made a decision to work for a company. It didn't have to be the end of their relationship. ROH chose to end it. If I'm not under contract I'm not obligated to do anything.

My problem with ROH is that fact that they hired people and then sent a bunch of them home and used the bullshit excuse that they had nothing for them at the time and they would be reintroduced later.

Guys like Austin Aries who is now one of the hottest workers in the business was told that they had nothing for him and that he would have to sit at home and wait to be brought back. Right after he dropped the ROH world title. He is the only ROH two time champion mind you. Aries was with them forever and when they had no use for him they treated him like a piece of Garbage.

Brent Albright, Pierce, Stevens, Necro Butcher and a few others were told the same thing. Everyone knows they were sent packing because they were projects of Gabes and nothing else more. ROH has shit on so many guys over the past few years its ridiculous. They are getting what they deserve. Karma is a bitch.

[Duce]

Awesome thanks for the information Lazyking I appreciate it. The more I learn about roh the easier it is for me to follow and know whats going on.

Also why did gabe leave? Was a reason ever given?

[Lazyking]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgDU-Sb2i7k&feature=player_embedded

pretty much shows Kenny King was looking for a way out for months.

I won't be surprised if some others feel the same way.

[Cereal]

Thanks for that clip..Sill going to the show in Mississauga on oct 13th but don't have a good feeling with how things are going with them.

[Lazyking]

Me either but they created this mess, I don't think they can't fix their problems just not sure they will. Being owned by SBG doesn't really give me alot of confidence.

[Cereal]

Yeah, just wait and see I guess..We don't get much live wrestling here in Timmins being 500 miles north of Toronto so thought I would go check out the show in oct. Its a pretty small city up here but we did get Tommy Dreamer a couple weeks ago, and kurt angle in 2007(they paid him $25,000 for his match against Christian).

[Cereal]

So anyone going to supercard of honor in April, just curious?

[Cereal]

Supercard of honor just went on sale for ringside members..Got row 1..

[KiLL CoLD]

Those the WM weekend shows? If so I wont be going. I'll be supporting DGUSA / EVOLVE and CHIKARA that weekend.

ROH and CZW are on the shit list.

[Cereal]

Those the WM weekend shows? If so I wont be going. I'll be supporting DGUSA / EVOLVE and CHIKARA that weekend.

ROH and CZW are on the shit list.

Yes the WM weekend, I do understand what you mean though..

[Lazyking]

They only have one mania show scheduled which is odd but it is at Hammerstein.. Considering all the things that have gone down lately, I'm not exactly excited about the show.

[steven bullshit, esq]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k24p-_5r7aY&feature=player_embedded

Uncle Jeffro is shit face, son!!

[KiLL CoLD]

Everyone of their videos should introduce a new family member.

[MissouriDragon]

I think I ran into that dude at the liquor store earlier this week. Also, it shouldn't take that long to load an AK clip.

[Cereal]

Also, it shouldn't take that long to load an AK clip. Well he might be partaking in whatever is in that goldfish cracker carton..might be slowing him down just a bit.

[Davie]

The Briscoes have became the best tag team in ROH recently thanks to their videos. They used to be pretty bland imo but these videos have really propelled them back to the forefront of the ROH tag division.

[nakedboy]

I am watching RoH and was shocked to see Sara Del Rey come out. She signed a deal with WWE. I know these are taped in advance but are they taped that far in advance or is she working for both or what?

[Lazyking]

Not working for both. She just signed recently. She'll finish her indy dates and then join WWE. it won't matter that she appears on ROH tv.

[Oliver]

That episode was filmed nearly a month ago, right at the end of June, and I think SDR only signed in the last couple of weeks? I imagine if she's about for that episode, she'll likely turn up again in the next 2/3 weeks, but then she'll be done and not show up again. Spoils the angle a bit for ROH if she can't show up after this run of tapings has finished showing.

Steen destroying Mondo is a lot of fun to watch.

[nakedboy]

Ah ok, thanks for the info guys. I did not realize they filmed that far in advance so it was a bit of a confusing shock. Yea that was a good match. Love the drawn out crawl to beat the count. And Steen on the mic during the match was sweet. With Punk, Aries and him as world champs it is a good time to be a wrestling fan.

[Oliver]

Looks like Del Rey is committed to ROH beyond the currently taped shows, as she's booked for Boiling Point as well, mixed tag of her and Eddie Edwards vs Maria and Bennett. I assume this is her finishing up her dates before going to WWE, that is if she is actually going to WWE, as I've also read (I think on the main page) that nothing was confirmed, and she wasn't even sure what her role would be if she does come in.

Strong/Cole is very good this week, quite enjoyable.

[nakedboy]

Once again, thanks for the info. It was weird this week hearing them talk about her and more so seeing Kenny King. Kind of like a watered down version of Rick Rude being on Raw and Nitro on the same Monday.

[Hustle]

Wasn't too long ago that people said Kevin Steen would be the one to save RoH. Now, it seems that Steen might be the one to put them out of business. Wow.

[TeamFarrell]

Why do you say that? I haven't been following RoH.

[Hustle]

He got into a fight with two fans at the end of their show tonight. Punched both, and apparently knocked them out. If it's legit, there HAS to be two lawsuits coming RoH's way, on top of them probably having no choice but to immediately fire their World Champion. If it's a work, what fucking purpose is it serving, and it's only going to end up pissing more people off.

[Omega]

Not only did he assault the fans he also apparently kissed one of them, so there is a sexual harassment lawsuit as well.

If Ring of Honor goes out of business, that's going to put a decent sized dent in Indy wrestling. There are tons of other feds out there, but none of them have television deals. Between Steen assaulting fans and Richards assaulting bookers of other promotions this is turning into a real mess at RoH.

[KiLL CoLD]

No it isn't. Davey don't work there anymore apparently and I'd bet money the Steen thing is a work. They decided to push him further as a heel after he won the title instead of turning him face when they should. Crowd loves him. Punching fans is probably one of the few things they could do to force people to boo him.

ROH closing wont hurt anything. Nobody watches their suck product as is so I don't see how them closing will hurt others.

Resistance Pro has a TV deal.

CHIKARA does well with their IPPVS and they only do two or three a year.

Indy wrestling is fine.

[Lazyking]

I gotta think it's a work.

ROH closing wouldn't effect me as much as it used to but I'd rather it stay open for as long as it can because more competitive even waning feds around, the better for the business of wrestling imo.

[nakedboy]

When Haas made the deal with Titus it seemed obvious that they would win the tournament leading to a match between them to decide who owns the belts. But now that Jacobs and Corino said they will win the tourney or leave RoH I am not so sure. I am pretty sure the two teams will meet in the finals. And if Jacobs/Corino do lose they could go back on their word. But if they do leave I would love if they, especially Jacobs, went to TNA. And if there is any truth to the above or if Steen is looking to leave he can bring his empire of evil to TNA. I just need to see if I can work it out to get to Chicago for Death Before Dishonor because it should be awesome. Especially with an attitude infused Lethal.

[Lazyking]

Matt Hardy is rumored to be in a big upcoming feud in ROH... I think that's the sign of me tapping out on this company

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

and roh fucks up another ippv

RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU ARE SUPRISED

[Lazyking]

I'm not but really from all I've heard, the last few ippvs worked fine so maybe just maybe Matt Hardy is a draw?

NAH!

[nakedboy]

Any results from the show? Im at work so could not watch it let alone go. 2 lousy hours away too grrr

[TheAman]

Any results from the show? Im at work so could not watch it let alone go. 2 lousy hours away too grrr

-Steve Corino & Jimmy Jacobs d. Caprice Coleman & Cedric Alexander

-Tadarius Thomas d. Silas Young

-Kyle O’Reilly d. ACH

-Charlie Haas & Rhett Titus d. The Briscoes

-Jay Lethal d. Homicide

-The House of Truth d. Irish Airborne

-ROH TV Title: Adam Cole d. Mike Mondo to retain
Hardy's interaction came with the TV title match. He was on commentary for the entire match. Post match, Hardy puts over the match and fans boo. He believes in the Code of Honor and he shakes Mondo’s hand. He shakes Cole’s hand and says that many people over the last three months have compared Cole to a young Matt Hardy. He says he was better than Cole when he was his age, and he’s better than him now. So, Hardy leaning heel for an inevitable match vs. Cole.

-Tag Team: S.C.U.M. d. Haas / Titus to become new champions
-ROH World Title: Kevin Steen d. Rhino via F-Cinq

[Lazyking]

No one has EVER compared Adam Cole to Matt Hardy. That's the funny part but you gotta have a reason I guess.

[TheAman]

I guess he kind of looks like a young Hardy, but that's about it.

[Lazyking]

Did you watch the show? Is hardy still out of shape? A Cole/Hardy match won't kill me if Cole goes over and Hardy actually cares to work.

[TheAman]

Nope, just read the results this morning.

[nakedboy]

Thank you TheAman. I was hoping Jacobs/Corino would lose and Jacobs was coming to TNA. But glad they won the belts. Now Evil has all the top gold. Just need to add the TV title. Maybe Matt can join them and win it.

[TheAman]

*THERE BE SPOILERS AHEAD*
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Just got back from the TV tapings, pretty awesome set this time around, obviously revolving around the Survival of the Fittest. Real brief results.

-Jay Lethal won the Survival of the Fittest. The other finalists were Adam Cole, Michael Elgin, Roderick Strong, Mike Mondo and Davey Richards. Came down to Lethal vs Richards. One of the dumbest things I've ever seen in wrestling happened during the match where Elgin was suplexed from the apron onto one of those standard plastic folding tables. Obviously it didn't break, but it had a huge dent in it.

-Won't go through all the other matches, but the highlights: Briscoes beat Bravados. After the match, the Guardians of Truth came out, said that Truth had neglected them as the rest of the HOT was collapsing, so they were going to take control again and do things their way....and that's the Headbangers way. They then demasked, and yes, the Headbangers are back as a tag team. They wrestled a match for the website after revealing themselves.

-CNC won by DQ over Jacobs/Corino. CNC dominated most of the match, had some pretty awesome spots, and then Corino hit...Cedric I believe...with a roll of quarters for the DQ. Corino/Jacobs started beating the crap out of CNC, and Elgin out to make the save. Earlier there was a confrontation between SCUM and Elgin, who has a title shot in October.

-Rhett Titus came out and challenged Haas/Benjamin to a match. They accepted, thinking it was a handicap match, and BJ Whitmer came out to team with Rhett. They won by DQ.

Rest of the matches were SOTF qualifiers. Best matches of those were Elgin vs Rhyno and Mondo vs Kyle O'Reilly.

[Lazyking]

some awful booking.

[TheAman]

some awful booking.

Meh, I mean, realistically, who else was going to win it? Lethal probably didn't need the boost, but when your other viable options are Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly and Rhyno, they probably made the right choice.

[KiLL CoLD]

Adam Cole just won BOLA. I would of had him won SOTF. Make his name even a little bit more bigger.

That makes too much sense though.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

so who's in for 15 dollars worth of disappointment tonight

[CultOfPersonality]

Gonna be a good night.

[TheAman]

Sounds like the main event was pretty awesome. And always good to see a Generico tease.

[Bestia 666]

Solid iPPV overall. Aside from the two times it froze (like three and twenty-ish seconds), I didn't have any problems with my stream. Loved the Generico tease at the end. Truth Martini must be hurting after being thrown over the ropes and crashing on the guard rail. Ouch!


so who's in for 15 dollars worth of disappointment tonight

Here's a fork to eat your own words with.

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[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

Solid iPPV overall. Aside from the two times it froze (like three and twenty-ish seconds), I didn't have any problems with my stream. Loved the Generico tease at the end. Truth Martini must be hurting after being thrown over the ropes and crashing on the guard rail. Ouch!



Here's a fork to eat your own words with.

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nope im massively disappointed the main event was really underwhelming in my opinion

the generico tease was obv as the fans had been chanting for him all night

that being said congrats to mondo and bennett for stealing the show

[CultOfPersonality]

Last night can be described in simply one word - insane.

[Cereal]

I was there live at the Toronto show sat night row 2. It was pretty good overall and I'll probably go back again in May. I live 500 miles north of Toronto so I make a trip out of it. On the Friday night I also went to see the warhorse play which was amazing, so overall was a good weekend. I had wanted 5 days off but work gave me 7 days off with pay instead.

[CultOfPersonality]

Did they announce the specific day for May? Can't remember

[Cereal]

Did they announce the specific day for May? Can't remember

May 4th and it's an ippv. Its at ted reeve arena instead of international centre this time.

[Oliver]

It can't just be me that thought Steen/Elgin wasn't all that an a bag of potato chips, surely? To be honest, I didn't even think it was 'good', let alone 'OMG, MOTY' or similar. It was an average match, very little in the way of momentum throughout, and some bits of it were downright stupid. I like watching two men beat the shit out of each other as much as anybody who loves Misawa/Kawada matches, but this wasn't good at all.

A shame, because I thought a lot of the rest of the PPV was very good, but that main event has left a sour taste in my mouth. The post match stuff with the mask was good, though.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

interested to see whether this nana vs evans feud is sustainable as it could lead to a handful of scenarios

the return of jimmy rave or any number of indy stars who were former members of the embassy

ciampa and nana vs marshall and evans tag team war

and im sure a few more scenarios at that

[TheAman]

I just realized that Final Battle was on the same day as TLC, and Final Battle is at 2. That makes an NYC doubleheader really really tempting, especially with the Final Battle main event.

[Thomas]

Can you order the ROH iPPV's of you're in the UK? Also I they available afterwards to.

[Lazyking]

I believe so? go to the website and try it. replay is available like next day.

[Omega]

You can go order it anytime and watch it all the way through whenever.

[Thomas]

Cool thanks for the info. Never really watched too much ROH but am intrigued by this ladder match main event.

[CultOfPersonality]

It might take a while til you get a chance to watch it. Ordered it an hour ago and still havent been able to watch.

[TheAman]

They're really going to have Lethal be the guy to eventually beat Steen aren't they?

[Lazyking]

If their not willing to have him drop it to generico, lethel is their only option considering who they have unless you want to give it to Cole all of the sudden.

[Omega]

That new ROH World Title is a major upgrade.

[TeamFarrell]

Roderick Strong and Michael Elgin might be my two least favourite, no-selling, "every move's a finisher", business killing, "everything that's wrong with the indy scene" performers on the planet.

I call them "performers" because what they did last night as not "wrestling". They didn't have a "wrestling match" and it frustrates the hell out of me that what they do can be considered wrestling by some.

[KiLL CoLD]

I dont mind Strong. He wasn't as bas as he is now. Its because Davey and Eddie Edwards were getting so much praise doing it he said why the hell not.

Elgin is strong. Big deal. Other then that the dude sucks balls. He needs to take his lame ass haircut and go do something else other then bore me.

He is teaming with Brian Cage in PWG for DDT. So much muscle for no god damn reason between the two of them but at least Cage has potential to become something.

[Oliver]

Elgin is strong. Big deal. Other then that the dude sucks balls. He needs to take his lame ass haircut and go do something else other then bore me.

I've thought this every time I've seen Elgin. His lauded matches with both Richards and Steen did absolutely bugger all for me. But people are absolutely losing their shit for this guy constantly. I just don't see why.

Was Final Battle any good? The Ladder War is the only thing that interests me on paper.

[XanMan]

Is there anybody in ROH worth paying attention to anymore? Bear in mind that anybody who says The Briscos will be hunted down and killed.

[Lazyking]

Adam Cole but you get him in a ton of other promotions..

[The Southern One]

I'm out of touch with RoH nowadays, but am interested in watching. Who is the main player in RoH now? Also, how is Jim Cornette affiliated with the company?

[Lazyking]

Kevin Steen is the ROH champion.. He's the main guy, Cornette got fired like a month ago from booking.

[The Southern One]

Nice, thanks. So Cornette is gone from the company altogether?

[nakedboy]

I have seen the future of wrestling and his name is...CHEESEBURGER!!!!

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

I have seen the future of wrestling and his name is...CHEESEBURGER!!!!

kid needs to eat a cheeseburger fuck i think he weighed less than daizee haze which means he weighs about as much as a pillow

[nakedboy]

kid needs to eat a cheeseburger fuck i think he weighed less than daizee haze which means he weighs about as much as a pillow

Heck he needs a combo and super DUPER size it...just to get to minimum weight for a ref. But no denying the dude got over in a way a lot of wrestlers sure wish they could. It just waits to be seen if his new nickname will be a curse or a blessing.

[Leon]

My brother and I are going to the ROH tv taping in Baltimore this weekend and wanted to ask if anyone on this thread could share what to expect. I've only ever attended a WWE show before and would love to hear from others what I might have in store. I'm pretty new to ROH but my brother and I are long time wrestling fans and we are looking forward to it. Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.

[TheAman]

My brother and I are going to the ROH tv taping in Baltimore this weekend and wanted to ask if anyone on this thread could share what to expect. I've only ever attended a WWE show before and would love to hear from others what I might have in store. I'm pretty new to ROH but my brother and I are long time wrestling fans and we are looking forward to it. Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.

I've been to most of the Baltimore tapings, but won't be going this weekend because of work. First off, just basic things Baltimore-specific, get there really early if you have General Admission seats. The doors open at 6, I'd be there no later than 6 if not slightly early, because the line starts early. Also, if you get there after 6, parking is really hard to find. As it is, you're probably going to have to find street parking around the arena. Anyways, setup-wise, if you're expecting anything like the WWE, you're going to be in for a bit of a shock. The ring is set up on the far side of the indoor soccer pitch, and it's surrounded by folding chairs and then bleachers, which is where the GA tickets are. I recommend seats on either side of the ring, and not behind it. Behind it is a bit farther from the ring, though you're on the camera side. There will be 4 one-hour tapings. The one really annoying thing is that when they have backstage segments, instead of putting them in post-production, they put it in live, and since there are no monitors or screens, you just sit there in silence and wait for them to continue. There will be an intermission at one point, either after the second taping or the third. You'll definitely see a lot of the wrestlers wrestle multiple times, and in multiple segments. Let me know if there are any other questions you have.

[XanMan]

ROH has now come out with an "Unbreakable" Michael Elgin dvd. To paraphrase Schiavone, "That'll put butts on couches."

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

is it just me or not

when coleman cuts promos most notably in the 11th anniversary match preview promo does he sound creepy and uber heelish

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

HOLY SHIT that was a clusterfuck of awesomeness

[nakedboy]

Watched this weeks episode and I was shocked at the end to the Briscoe Bros/WGTT match. I expected WGTT to lose as it seems Shelton is moving on and with the stipulation not being loser leave town it was a forgone conclusion. But HOW they lost was something.

Any news from the Anniversary show? I had to work so not only could I not go which I wanted to but I could not order the iPPV. I especially want to know if anything big happened with S.C.U.M. as I had the feeling they were going to make some big move or something.

[Hustle]

Yes, there's news from the Anniversary show. A new TV Champion. New Tag Team Champions. SCUM is the new nWo, with like 49 people in the group.

[nakedboy]

Glad to see S.C.U.M. grow but not to damn big lol. I was worried they might end with the erratic behavior of Kevin the last couple weeks.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

i dont like the slow build to kevin turning unless they swerve and reestablish him as an uber heel because its been made so obv

[nakedboy]

Yea I hope so. I do not want him as a face. But it is possible they are doing with him what might be a new trend. Same thing I see with Bully Ray and that is more of a tweener or an honorable heel. Like from his recent speech he is going from wanting to destroy RoH because of what it had become to wanting to embrace it now that it seems saved. I kind of picture him as the benevolent yet evil King. The kind of character in literature and movies where he is bad but does it in a conniving way so it is not obvious. As if he is trying to do what is good for everyone but really he is just about him and those close to him.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

the problem is if he is honorable that directly conflicts with scum so he either is making a face w an edge turn or he is going to be haha fooled you hogan fingerpoke of doom uberheel either way it should have been done at the ippv and not in the future

[nakedboy]

I do not know. I mean I have not seen every bit of what they have done so not sure if they have a real manifesto of what they stand for. But the name is supposed to stand for Suffering, Chaos, Ugliness and Mayhem. It is possible that is what they are bringing to those they feel are bring ruin to RoH. Not to mention, while Kevin hangs with SCUM and uses them I am not sure if he has officially said he is a member. And like I said, it is not about being honorable for the sake of honor but a means to an end. I don't know maybe I am hoping for something to deep for a wrestling story line but one can hope lol

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

basically corino used steen to setup this nwo esque faction and it will prob lead to a 5 vs 5 6 vs 6 7 vs 7 8 vs 8 or 10 vs 10 match for roh future its not much different than the roh vs czw war

[nakedboy]

Well I am holding out hope for something interesting. Long as Jacobs is involved. I think the big two, or big one and medium one depending on your view, have dropped the ball with not signing him. He may not be able to get over as a top single guy due to his size but as the leader of a faction he is sweet. He reminds me of Raven. That dark really intelligent mind.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

anyone else who was at the sunday tapings last week feel like roh completely failed to capitalize on the scum reveals?

[nakedboy]

After seeing the new additions to S.C.U.M. I wish even more I had gone to the Anniversary show and the live taping. Although it sounds like they did not do much with them at the taping. Steen, Jacobs, Rhino, Rave and Hardy alone make them sweet. Throw in Corino, Titus and Compton (the OVW TV champ by the way) and they are a strong group. Long live EVIL, honor can rest in peace.

[LHARR88]

I see Kevin Steen as a man that stood alone in his protest, but it somehow created this mass awakening in others. Steen, now that his protest got him the change he wanted, turns around and see what he has become oblivious to this entire time. His single protest started a movement with members who are out for blood. These members want to kill ROH, period. Which is what Steen said he wanted to do, but is it what he wanted? Steen sacrificed his blood, sweat, and tears to become ROH Champion, and does the same to remain champion. So, has Steen realize that he is ROH. Killing ROH means killing himself. I think Steen was oblivious to growth of SCUM. I think Corino took the dream of Steen and masterminded along with Jacobs, a plan to make this dream reality. What we saw at ROH 11 Anniversary was Steen in complete shock. He didn't react to anything, he didn't react to the rise of SCUM, and the attacks from the ROH roster was ignored. He just stood there taking punches and kicks.

I see Corino, who is the mastermind behind SCUM, will give Steen an ultimatum to either be grateful and lead the movement he started, or die with ROH.

[nakedboy]

Yea that sounds very likely. If it doesn't end up being Kevin that stands up to S.C.U.M. I see it being Cheeseburger who is the RoH savior.

[illfam]

Are they still chanting "Feed Him More" @ Matt Hardy...funniest thing Ive ever heard at a live show(Baltimore)

[Hustle]

This Charlie Haas situation is either hilarious or sad. Maybe both.

According to reports, Haas wrestled yesterday and was noticeably "impaired" during his match. He was visibly distraught and was also crying. Before and after the match, he cut a promo, dissing Delirious and Kevin Kelly, before announcing that he wouldn't be facing Shelton Benjamin at the iPPV because he's retiring. Crazy stuff.

[TheAman]

This Charlie Haas situation is either hilarious or sad. Maybe both.

According to reports, Haas wrestled yesterday and was noticeably "impaired" during his match. He was visibly distraught and was also crying. Before and after the match, he cut a promo, dissing Delirious and Kevin Kelly, before announcing that he wouldn't be facing Shelton Benjamin at the iPPV because he's retiring. Crazy stuff.

I'd be shocked if this wasn't a work.

[Hustle]

Then I bring up the same question I asked to people who felt the Bully Ray "faggot" comments were a work.. what exactly are you gaining by doing THAT as a work? Are people now going to flock to RoH because they had Charlie Haas pretend to retire? What does this do for business, other than get people to believe it and feel RoH is a terrible place to work?

[TeamFarrell]

I think it's quite clear that WWE offered him a deal and he's using this whole retirement thing as a way out of his contract early.

He's learned a lot from Kurt Angle.

[TheAman]

Then I bring up the same question I asked to people who felt the Bully Ray "faggot" comments were a work.. what exactly are you gaining by doing THAT as a work? Are people now going to flock to RoH because they had Charlie Haas pretend to retire? What does this do for business, other than get people to believe it and feel RoH is a terrible place to work?

It's the idea that no publicity is bad publicity. You have Haas pretend to be drunk, make some awful comments about the company, then everyone is talking about it. Whether they're correct or not, well, we'll see. But if nothing else, it worked. The odds of a company allowing a wrestler to not only compete, but have a long promo before the match, while he is drunk is so slim.

[nakedboy]

Correct me if I am wrong, I do not follow RoH as much as the other two so I am sure someone knows for sure, but did not Shelton already leave the company? I thought that was the reason for the tag team breaking up. If so then this is just a way to get out of a match that was never going to happen. They had to make the match because it would make sense Shelton would want revenge against Charlie but he is not around to do it. As far as Charlie acting drunk, that is just part of his character over the last couple months. The whole rebel "Outlaw" bit. Having him break down to me means they might be going somewhere with it as far as a reason for his drinking and attitude.

[LHARR88]

Too bad, I have no way of seeing ROH since TPTB took all videos of wrestling off dailymotion.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

so many concerns with tonight


A. they didnt capitalize on the scum momentum
b. the the title match has essentially zero build
c. the title match is overshadowed by lethal vs elgin
d. no matches really stand out as good matches besides the redragon vs american wolves match

but hey its 15 bucks so basically only 1 match has to be really good to justify it

[nakedboy]

I think while they might have been able to do better with the momentum they have not done bad. I think they are going for the long story line. The question is where they are headed and if Steen is on the same page with them. It looks like he is not but it might all be a smoke screen.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

the problem with a long storyline is its already a 2 year old storyline

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

cheeseburger for president

[Hustle]

I can't believe they gave Jay Briscoe the World Title. Wow.

[nakedboy]

cheeseburger for president

I second this. Or even better, for Emperor of the World. As far as SCUM has it really been 2 years. I thought only about a year. And in a way this is an evolution of the original group.

Briscoe won? A life time tag champion won the World title. Where did they get that idea. Lol just kidding but good for him. I am guessing this was so SCUM can convince Kevin he needs them.

[TheAman]

I second this. Or even better, for Emperor of the World. As far as SCUM has it really been 2 years. I thought only about a year. And in a way this is an evolution of the original group.


It's been less than a year. Jacobs joined Steen Wrestlemania weekend last year, and Corino didn't join them to officially form SCUM until May when he helped Steen win the title.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

It's been less than a year. Jacobs joined Steen Wrestlemania weekend last year, and Corino didn't join them to officially form SCUM until May when he helped Steen win the title.

no its been since 2011 scum is just a branch of a storyline that started w steen vs generico and into steen vs roh and then steen vs davey and then scum vs roh


also fuck did they make that painfully obvious he was winning w no real buildup and then wham in your face let's see every jay briscoe title match in a way it looked and felt like nigel's win

[TheAman]

I mean, if you want to say that steen being a heel is one big storyline, then ok, I guess? But then most feuds/storylines last years if it just has to do with what their affiliation and goals are. I guess you can say Jay Briscoe's storyline has lasted 10 years.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

I mean, if you want to say that steen being a heel is one big storyline, then ok, I guess? But then most feuds/storylines last years if it just has to do with what their affiliation and goals are. I guess you can say Jay Briscoe's storyline has lasted 10 years.

scum started when steen lost to generico and got booted and started to invade with the goal that he was trying to kill roh which led to him corino and jacobs which led to the "ousting" of cornette which led to the evolution of scum which led to this matc

[LHARR88]

Jay didn't even seem like a real contender to the title. I thought maybe they would have Steen beat all of the ROH challengers, barely, then have Nigel be the one to take it off him. Is there any other way to see ROH TV since it doesn't show i my area?

[TheAman]

Jay didn't even seem like a real contender to the title. I thought maybe they would have Steen beat all of the ROH challengers, barely, then have Nigel be the one to take it off him. Is there any other way to see ROH TV since it doesn't show i my area?

The ROH website lets you watch it. You have to sign up for an account, but it's free.

[XanMan]

I can't believe they gave Jay Briscoe the World Title. Wow.

I know. Disgusting.

[KiLL CoLD]

^ Huh? How is that?

[XanMan]

How is it not? I have always hated the Briscoes. I thought you knew that.

[KiLL CoLD]

But Jay is actually talented and good. Not to mention he can cut a unique promo and they are pretty good.

It gives him something new to do and it keeps The Briscoes from continuing to be the go to Tag Team for a while. Thought that alone would make you happy.

Honestly don't think there was anyone else more deserving then Jay not named Jimmy Jacobs.

[XanMan]

It gives him something new to do and it keeps The Briscoes from continuing to be the go to Tag Team for a while. Thought that alone would make you happy.

That's true. I do, though, think that if Steen was going to be dropping the title, it would have made more sense for him to drop it at the last event to Lethal. Of course, then the reveal of the new members of S.C.U.M. wouldn't have worked as well, I suppose, plus then you'd have Lethal as champ. I guess we'll see how the other Jay does.

[Chad No Gimmick Envy]

as always motherfucking cheeseburger for president

[nakedboy]

Damn cheeseburger is da MAN!!! Kissing Maria lucky bastard. That was history too. First time a cheeseburger had ever touched her lips lmao